Who has more NAMES on their resume: Pac or Mayweather?

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I have no real beef with that belief, my only beef is when people talk like there are vast differences between them. It is opinion though so not like you could actually be wrong, it is all about perception and what someone is looking for.

I think the disparity between the two has grown quite a bit. I mean, think about it. The 2003 win over a prime Barrera trumps everything on Floyd's resume alone. And Pacquiao already had some impressive wins for titles, like Ledwaba, for instance. Idk, I don't think it's too close.

[Syf]

post # 371 is one of the best in this thread

[The Gambler1981]

I think the disparity between the two has grown quite a bit. I mean, think about it. The 2003 win over a prime Barrera trumps everything on Floyd's resume alone. And Pacquiao already had some impressive wins for titles, like Ledwaba, for instance. Idk, I don't think it's too close.

I don't rate Marco that highly although that is Manny's best win no doubt, I guess you could say it is the best win for either but not by much. I disagree because Manny has had a well managed career, but Manny has beat a bunch of quality guys so he is for sure a great fighter.

Floyd has a number of quality names on his dossier also, but also a well managed career.

They are not that far apart at all, but I guess it depends on what you like~

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I don't rate Marco that highly although that is Manny's best win no doubt, I guess you could say it is the best win for either but not by much. I disagree because Manny has had a well managed career, but Manny has beat a bunch of quality guys so he is for sure a great fighter.

Floyd has a number of quality names on his dossier also, but also a well managed career.

They are not that far apart at all, but I guess it depends on what you like~

I'm not sure what you mean by you don't rate Marco that highly. He's a future HOF'er and was in his prime when Pacquiao beat the crap out of him. He certainly is a better win than any on Floyd's resume, no?

[The Gambler1981]

I'm not sure what you mean by you don't rate Marco that highly. He's a future HOF'er and was in his prime when Pacquiao beat the crap out of him. He certainly is a better win than any on Floyd's resume, no?

Like I said you could say that, and Marco is a great fighter I just do not think he is all that against a fighter quicker then himself. He is a future hall of famer for sure but there were situations going into that fight that played against Marco which kind of make me question just how primed that MAB was.

It was still a great win and Manny did beat the **** out of him.

All I am saying is both men are great fighters that have beat numerous quality guys, Marco would be at the top of the list for Manny and if you want to put him at the top for both that is fair enough I just do not think the margin is vast at all.

[Jiddu Dali]

ah..Mr Rosales..



Bert Sugar had DLH picked to win. and I remember from that time how many were picking him to win, and how many hated mayweather even then. I can't really find all the prediction compilations that used to be up..but did find this blog, its a VERY telling snapshot in time.

http://blogs.*******.com/index.cfm?f...ogId=253988778

read some of those comments.

ah..as it turns out I found some "expert" opinions as well..

Shelley Finkel (manager): “I don’t have any firm conviction, but I’m leaning toward Oscar to win. Since Floyd has moved up in weight, he hasn’t been able to hurt anyone. Oscar is the biggest guy he’s ever fought. He’s also a lot faster than what Floyd is used to. Oscar has got to be aggressive and not allow Floyd to move in and out. This comes down to a great big guy versus a great little guy. Look at Bernard Hopkins against Oscar. A similar thing could happen here, but I expect Oscar to win a decision.”

Hector Roca (trainer): “De La Hoya is too big and too strong for Mayweather. He probably walks around at 160, 165 pounds. Plus, he has so much more experience in big, competitive fights. People think that Mayweather can’t be hit, but Zab Judah hit him plenty. The fight will be competitive for a while, but after four or five rounds De La Hoya will be in command. He is something special, and he will win a decision.”

Joey Gamache (former WBA super featherweight and lightweight titleholder): “I don’t think that De La Hoya is finished yet. He will be able to use his advantage in size and his versatility to beat Mayweather. Mayweather is a fully loaded welterweight, but De La Hoya is a big, strong guy with a lot of ring intelligence. I can’t see Mayweather hurting him. He’s a decent puncher, but not a good enough puncher to slow De La Hoya down. De La Hoya is smart enough to find weaknesses in Mayweather and take advantage of them. De La Hoya will find a way to win by decision.”

Carlos Baldomir (former welterweight champion who lost the title to Mayweather): “Why not just ask me to give you the winning Argentina lottery numbers? That would be just as hard as picking the winner of this fight. I found out personally what fantastic foot and hand speed Mayweather has. You have to be in the ring with him to really appreciate his skills. He is a once-in-a-generation type fighter, but so is De La Hoya. Oscar is also the bigger, stronger man. I think it will be a competitive fight with a lot of twists and turns. I can see either guy winning, but am leaning toward Oscar by decision due to his size and strength. I know they say that speed kills, but Oscar has an excellent record for choosing the right opponent at the right time. He is very smart in and out of the ring.”

Buddy McGirt (former IBF junior welterweight and WBC welterweight titleholder and current trainer): “This is a tough pick. People say Oscar is old, but he’s in better shape than he gets credit for. Both of these guys are great fighters who can rumble. Both have been in big fights, so they have big fight experience. Floyd looks pretty unbeatable, but if anyone can beat him it’s Oscar. It’s a hard pick, but since you’re forcing me, I guess I lean toward Oscar by decision.”

Eddie McLoughlin (promoter of middleweight John Duddy): “This is a pick ’em fight, but I have to go with De La Hoya. Mayweather will probably pick his shots and win the first few rounds, but De La Hoya will be able to use his size and strength to walk him down and win a nip-and-tuck battle by about two or three rounds.

thats all i could find, casually.



Because, if you remember, people were talking back then about how the southpaw corley gave PBF "fits" and Judah was faster than Corley so there was a very good chance he would do better and hit Floyd more than Corley did... I notice you left out that Lennox Lewis called for that fight on a HBO broadcast.



here is an example of some of the hype that was around before that fight.

http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/floy...ton-prediction

"Saturday, December 8th at The MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Floyd “Pretty Boy” Mayweather (38-0 (24 KOs), Grand Rapids, Michigan) will take on Ricky “The Hitman” Hatton (43-0 (31 KOs), Manchester, England) in the biggest fight between undefeated Welterweights since Oscar de la Hoya and Felix Trinidad back in 1999."

Ricky may not have been favored, but the fight was in demand.



I am not really a nuthugger...I am one of the most unbiased people on this forum, aside from like... Spray or somebody

All you have to do is read comments I provided from back when he was about to fight DLH before all the controversy with the JMM thing, that people genuinely didn't like him even then..they wished for him to lose. This trend continues to this day. And you are going to tell me that people that don't like a guy, are going to be unbiased about him?

lol.

good post!

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Like I said you could say that, and Marco is a great fighter I just do not think he is all that against a fighter quicker then himself. He is a future hall of famer for sure but there were situations going into that fight that played against Marco which kind of make me question just how primed that MAB was.

It was still a great win and Manny did beat the **** out of him.

All I am saying is both men are great fighters that have beat numerous quality guys, Marco would be at the top of the list for Manny and if you want to put him at the top for both that is fair enough I just do not think the margin is vast at all.

Well I guess one could easily apply the "situations" reasoning to Corrales, who was about to go to jail. I don't know, isn't it funny how one fighter is fighting a top welter this Saturday and the other...well? And that same fighter was once a flyweight champ? I tell ya, I won't crown either an ATG yet but if anyone deserves the title, it's the one who wants it--if you know what I mean.

[tesla_power]

yeah cause Asia is such a hot bed of boxing talent that SASAKUL stayed his entire career there...but when he finally decides to fight out of the country he gets ko'd by Mijares...

=0( poor guy!

Great analysis. Did you just nitpick his career at boxrec? If you did, you might have noticed that 12 fights before and after pacquaio, he never lost. Did you check his age? Have you seen the records of his opponent prior to pac. Asia is seriously underrated. Did you know he was the lineal champ? Did you know that prior to that KO by Pac, pac was behind by no less than 5 points by my count? Pac got very lucky in landing that left bomb. More importantly, have you seen Sasakul fight in his prime?



Anyways, great job.

[Jiddu Dali]

Great analysis. Did you just nitpick his career at boxrec? If you did, you might have noticed that 12 fights before and after pacquaio, he never lost. Did you check his age? Have you seen the records of his opponent prior to pac. Asia is seriously underrated. Did you know he was the lineal champ? Did you know that prior to that KO by Pac, pac was behind by no less than 5 points by my count? Pac got very lucky in landing that left bomb. More importantly, have you seen Sasakul fight in his prime?



Anyways, great job.

once again, he was fighting in Asia against guys who were fighting in Asia...i dont care about his padded record in Asia going 34-2 and getting KOed twice...

post 2003 = great resume...pre 2003 = chumps

[BawK]

once again, he was fighting in Asia against guys who were fighting in Asia...i dont care about his padded record in Asia going 34-2 and getting KOed twice...

post 2003 = great resume...pre 2003 = chumps

same can be said for Floyd

floyd 130-135 = great resume....floyd 140-147 crap