Who has more NAMES on their resume: Pac or Mayweather?

[Syf]

ah..Mr Rosales..

Who is "they"? Experts and hardcore fans knew that Oscar rarely won a big fight. They knew Oscar has a lot of troube with boxers. So who is they? Floyd was the favorite to win. So who was they?

Bert Sugar had DLH picked to win. and I remember from that time how many were picking him to win, and how many hated mayweather even then. I can't really find all the prediction compilations that used to be up..but did find this blog, its a VERY telling snapshot in time.

http://blogs.*******.com/index.cfm?f...ogId=253988778

read some of those comments.

ah..as it turns out I found some "expert" opinions as well..

Shelley Finkel (manager): “I don’t have any firm conviction, but I’m leaning toward Oscar to win. Since Floyd has moved up in weight, he hasn’t been able to hurt anyone. Oscar is the biggest guy he’s ever fought. He’s also a lot faster than what Floyd is used to. Oscar has got to be aggressive and not allow Floyd to move in and out. This comes down to a great big guy versus a great little guy. Look at Bernard Hopkins against Oscar. A similar thing could happen here, but I expect Oscar to win a decision.”

Hector Roca (trainer): “De La Hoya is too big and too strong for Mayweather. He probably walks around at 160, 165 pounds. Plus, he has so much more experience in big, competitive fights. People think that Mayweather can’t be hit, but Zab Judah hit him plenty. The fight will be competitive for a while, but after four or five rounds De La Hoya will be in command. He is something special, and he will win a decision.”

Joey Gamache (former WBA super featherweight and lightweight titleholder): “I don’t think that De La Hoya is finished yet. He will be able to use his advantage in size and his versatility to beat Mayweather. Mayweather is a fully loaded welterweight, but De La Hoya is a big, strong guy with a lot of ring intelligence. I can’t see Mayweather hurting him. He’s a decent puncher, but not a good enough puncher to slow De La Hoya down. De La Hoya is smart enough to find weaknesses in Mayweather and take advantage of them. De La Hoya will find a way to win by decision.”

Carlos Baldomir (former welterweight champion who lost the title to Mayweather): “Why not just ask me to give you the winning Argentina lottery numbers? That would be just as hard as picking the winner of this fight. I found out personally what fantastic foot and hand speed Mayweather has. You have to be in the ring with him to really appreciate his skills. He is a once-in-a-generation type fighter, but so is De La Hoya. Oscar is also the bigger, stronger man. I think it will be a competitive fight with a lot of twists and turns. I can see either guy winning, but am leaning toward Oscar by decision due to his size and strength. I know they say that speed kills, but Oscar has an excellent record for choosing the right opponent at the right time. He is very smart in and out of the ring.”

Buddy McGirt (former IBF junior welterweight and WBC welterweight titleholder and current trainer): “This is a tough pick. People say Oscar is old, but he’s in better shape than he gets credit for. Both of these guys are great fighters who can rumble. Both have been in big fights, so they have big fight experience. Floyd looks pretty unbeatable, but if anyone can beat him it’s Oscar. It’s a hard pick, but since you’re forcing me, I guess I lean toward Oscar by decision.”

Eddie McLoughlin (promoter of middleweight John Duddy): “This is a pick ’em fight, but I have to go with De La Hoya. Mayweather will probably pick his shots and win the first few rounds, but De La Hoya will be able to use his size and strength to walk him down and win a nip-and-tuck battle by about two or three rounds.

thats all i could find, casually.

How was a guy that lossed to Baldomir suppose to beat Floyd? People thought before the Baldomir fight that Zab had a very good chance. But, when he lossed to a bum. People knew Floyd would win. Floyd was the favorite to win. Nobody really predicted Zab to win.

Because, if you remember, people were talking back then about how the southpaw corley gave PBF "fits" and Judah was faster than Corley so there was a very good chance he would do better and hit Floyd more than Corley did... I notice you left out that Lennox Lewis called for that fight on a HBO broadcast.

The only people who thought Hatton would beat Floyd. Were Hatton fans. Floyd haters were HOPING Hatton could pull it off. But, people knew this was a low risk/high reward fight for Floyd. Floyd was the favorite.

here is an example of some of the hype that was around before that fight.

http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/floy...ton-prediction

"Saturday, December 8th at The MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Floyd “Pretty Boy” Mayweather (38-0 (24 KOs), Grand Rapids, Michigan) will take on Ricky “The Hitman” Hatton (43-0 (31 KOs), Manchester, England) in the biggest fight between undefeated Welterweights since Oscar de la Hoya and Felix Trinidad back in 1999."

Ricky may not have been favored, but the fight was in demand.

Who was favored exactly? Oscar, Hatton, and Judah were not favored. Where are you getting this from? Show me a link or something that backs up this statement. Cuz Floyd as favored in all those fights. Bro that is just nuthugging right there. You trying to make it seem like Floyd had the stack up against him. And, he pulling off upsets. But, in reality he was the favorite. You trying to make his wins greater than what they really are. And, is hard to give somebody props for fights that the outcomes are already known about.

I am not really a nuthugger...I am one of the most unbiased people on this forum, aside from like... Spray or somebody

All you have to do is read comments I provided from back when he was about to fight DLH before all the controversy with the JMM thing, that people genuinely didn't like him even then..they wished for him to lose. This trend continues to this day. And you are going to tell me that people that don't like a guy, are going to be unbiased about him?

lol.

[Vasyl’s dad]

You have no opinions of your own all you do is spew the same recycled garbage. You use the same arguments as Fischer and Kim but they atleast know boxing you have never shown me even an inkling of understanding beyond the surface of things.

To me if you don't really ty to understand teh sport you are casual and you have never shown me any reason to think of you otherwise.

It is good that a casual fan supports the sport like that though keep it up

I understand the sport fully.

the best fight the best.

the ******* make excuses.

Simple math really.

Or else we'd be sitting here talking about Ray Leonards greatest fights against Larry, Curly and Moe.

Or Alis best moments against the 3 Blind Mice.

I already know what avenue you're going with this,

"Boxing is a business and some fights just don't get made for whatever reason. Even though the fans want these fights, you just don't know **** about boxing".

Try me *****.

I can go down over 100 years of fights that the fans wanted being made.

[The Gambler1981]

I understand the sport fully.

the best fight the best.

the ******* make excuses.

Simple math really.

Or else we'd be sitting here talking about Ray Leonards greatest fights against Larry, Curly and Moe.

Or Alis best moments against the 3 Blind Mice.

I already know what avenue you're going with this,

"Boxing is a business and some fights just don't get made for whatever reason. Even though the fans want these fights, you just don't know **** about boxing".

Try me *****.

I can go down over 100 years of fights that the fans wanted being made.

Math is indisputable what you say are always opinion then try to pass them off as stone cold facts. I told you a long time that argueing is pointless because you think you know everything there is to know and will not hear otherwise, this post pretty much sums up that view.

You are not worth my time or effort. Keep lying to yourself and living in your own world, but you can't pass off your bull**** arguements on me.

[Jiddu Dali]

what's so funny?

name me a fighter in pink floyd's resume that is better & is ranked higher than MAB or Morales.

didnt Morales beat Pac?

Tell me this...Would Morales @ any weight at anytime have beat Mayweather?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Math is indisputable what you say are always opinion then try to pass them off as stone cold facts. I told you a long time that argueing is pointless because you think you know everything there is to know and will not hear otherwise, this post pretty much sums up that view.

You are not worth my time or effort. Keep lying to yourself and living in your own world, but you can't pass off your bull**** arguements on me.

lol arguing with you?

I don't argue with you, I tell you like it is.


Great fights of the past, present and future is what makes boxing great.

Its why its thrived for as long as it has because people love to see the best take on the best.


Now that I've taken away your only card,

you don't have **** to say.



Boxing is a sport that has been mixed with business, but when people watch a big fight on a Saturday night,

nobody cares about how much money was made.

Nobody but people with vested interests and wanna be promoters.

The overwhelming majority,

solely care about a great night of action.


Simpletons such as yourself, make up that .000001% that are worried about how much money a fighter is taking home.




btw, I've heard that "you're not worth my time" bit before,


but once again,

here you are, trying to see how my ass tastes.

[h2k]

Sorry mate i have to be honest it's so obvious that its pacquiao. But we could still brag about mayweather skill and undefeated record.

[PAKYO]

didnt Morales beat Pac?

Tell me this...Would Morales @ any weight at anytime have beat Mayweather?

Dude, no matter how you put things in favor of floyd, FLOYD NEVER FIGHTS WHAT HE CONSIDER AS A THREAT TO HIS ZERO, SO PLEASE STOP WITH ALL THIS BULL****!

So how can you prove nobody can beat floyd if he never fights them?

[PrettyBoy22]

Pac easily.

Floyds only names are a fresh out of jail undertrained Corrales, Zab Judah, Hernandez, and Castillo. A fight he lost.

I leave Hatton and Oscar out cuz' they were both old and Pac beat them better than Floyd did.

As for your "who beat more world champs" gimmick, it doesn't apply. "World Titles" are useless cuz' there's so many of them.

Lotta guys are just paper champs.

Top to bottom has just fought the better guys. JMM, MaB, and EM>>>Anything Floyds ever done.

Such a poor comparism. Right, Hatton was pretty much in his prime when he fought Floyd- he was not in his prime at all fighting Pac. And old? Haha he was about 28. Also, Mayweather was practically Oscars ***** for that fight, Oscar made life alot easier for Pacquiao

It's like me saying Floyd beat Marquez way better than Pac did. You can't compare because of the circumstances

[jedc28]

if MAYWEATHER IS THAT GREAT ANSWER WHY DOESNT HE FIGHT MOSLEY,COTTO,OR ANY TOP WELTER TO PROVE IT YES TO PROVE IT

[The Gambler1981]

lol arguing with you?

I don't argue with you, I tell you like it is.


Great fights of the past, present and future is what makes boxing great.

Its why its thrived for as long as it has because people love to see the best take on the best.


Now that I've taken away your only card,

you don't have **** to say.



Boxing is a sport that has been mixed with business, but when people watch a big fight on a Saturday night,

nobody cares about how much money was made.

Nobody but people with vested interests and wanna be promoters.

The overwhelming majority,

solely care about a great night of action.


Simpletons such as yourself, make up that .000001% that are worried about how much money a fighter is taking home.




btw, I've heard that "you're not worth my time" bit before,


but once again,

here you are, trying to see how my ass tastes.

That was your responce lol, I am glad I went to bed. Money makes the world go around and is why things take place, if you don't understand that then I don't know what to say.

All I see is rambling I do not see any valid points, so like I said before keep lying to yourself living in your own idealistic romantic world.

The man who thinks he knows everything actually knows nothing.

Respond again so I can laugh more at the bull**** you spew.