Anyone agree Valuev's stock is untainted by Haye?

[Special K]

Valuev is an ogre man. I couldn't watch 3 minutes of that fight.

They should use his fights as corporal punishment for criminals in some countries, truthfully.

I'm not a big Haye fan at all, but I'd much rather see him than Valuev any day of the week. If people think Valuev got robbed, this is this case where I'd actually say "Good".

No way was Valuev robbed, I agree, but nobody would have been surprised if Valuev had got the nod - that was my point. I initially thought Valuev won the fight, partly because of Dirrell Froch and I didn't think Haye was any better than Dirrell in that previous fight.

And so what that Haye was giving away height and weight. Tyson never fought like that to my knowledge, he came straight ahead. Haye was selling himself as an exciting fighter like Tyson - not a hit and run merchant. I have to assume that if he ever fights either Klit we'll see the same ring chase, and we'll hear the excuse that he was smaller than Vit or Vlad.

[Lacrimosa]

Valuev will now enter the rankings of the WBC, IBF, and WBO.

So there's a better chance he'll fight a Klitschko, who would become the first to fell the giant!

I thought the same! It would be a big fight in either Russia/Ukraine (Donbass Arena - i would go there) or Germany!

[M.I Truth ?]

what stock

[TheGreatA]

Valuev has probably improved his stock from the absolute nothing it was after the Holyfield fight and the Chagaev rematch not happening. Still, the little dance that he did in the 12th and final round has me and probably others as well thinking that he'll be a spectacular KO victim if he ever steps up against the Klitschko brothers.

Perhaps it is best to retire and I believe he has already stated that he will. Not a bad fight to retire on because he wasn't humiliated by any means.

[Special K]

I thought the same! It would be a big fight in either Russia/Ukraine (Donbass Arena - i would go there) or Germany!

Valuev is still a fighter that nobody has KO'd or floored. And he'll have a rematch clause that means he'll very likely be paid to step aside for Haye Vitaly. I'd suspect that part of that deal could be a Wlad vs Valuev fight. Valuev can legitemately argue he won the fight with Haye over the piece.

[-Boxzilla-]

what stock

exactly ....

[Special K]

Valuev has probably improved his stock from the absolute nothing it was after the Holyfield fight and the Chagaev rematch not happening. Still, the little dance that he did in the 12th and final round has me and probably others as well thinking that he'll be a spectacular KO victim if he ever steps up against the Klitschko brothers.

Perhaps it is best to retire and I believe he has already stated that he will. Not a bad fight to retire on because he wasn't humiliated by any means.

He took Haye's best possible punch and was wobbled for two seconds before fully recovering. That's maybe a positive for Valuev.

[TheGreatA]

He took Haye's best possible punch and was wobbled for two seconds before fully recovering. That's maybe a positive for Valuev.

I don't think that was Haye's best punch. The left has never been his power hand and the punch didn't connect very solidly, Valuev simply didn't see it coming. If he doesn't see Wladimir right coming, we might see the giant fall.

[Lacrimosa]

I don't think that was Haye's best punch. The left has never been his power hand and the punch didn't connect very solidly, Valuev simply didn't see it coming. If he doesn't see Wladimir right coming, we might see the giant fall.

I always thought that theoretically Wladimir is among few in history who could actually KO Valuev.

Valuev was hurt by Haye, but lets not forget that Niko is already 36! And he is a giant, which means his legs are spoiling much faster...

If he fights Wlad (or even Vit (which i doubt)) in 2010, the KO is a very probable result!

[colin scott]

I had haye winning by four rounds and i cant uderstand why the sky commentators had valuev winning it but sometimes people see things differently.
I would still like to see valuev fight wladamir though to see how he handles being the smaller man for a change.