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  • #51
    Originally posted by dans01234 View Post
    Dawson is a terrible matchup for Hopkins. I would favor Dawson in that fight.
    That's lovely for you. I don't.

    I agree he's not a great style for him, but neither was Calzaghe.

    Is Dawson more experienced than Calzaghe, does he have a higher work rate? Does he chase and press the fight like Calzaghe does and as much? Is he a cleverer more adaptable all round boxer? No, not more so.

    Hopkins would actually succeed more in negating his work rate than he did with Joe, and he would bulleye Chad around more than Joe. He's simply be too accurate, defensive, clever, illusive, countering well and confusing Chad.

    I agree with Ring having Hopkins as LHW #1.

    Most people used to also agree with that just months ago.

    He wins some re matches over names he was expected to beat again, and suddenly he's better than Hopkins.

    Sorry folks, hype train alert, I like Chad, but he's simply, NOT.
    Last edited by Kris Silver; 11-09-2009, 10:50 AM.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by KrisSilver View Post
      It really really really gets on my nerves how after a win a guy was expected to win anyway, so many people put the guys stocks up so so much that he's suddenly the best out there.

      It happened with Froch, for ages everyone said he wasn't much of anything, suddenly he gets a lucky KO against an old name prone to KO's late, and he's the best fighter in the world.

      Guys, Hopkins may not have fought recently but he's still leaps and bounds better than Dawson. He also still beats Dawson in my eyes. Dawson is young, athletic, technically sound. But he is far from great, which the likes of RJJ and Calzaghe was, and Hopkins still is.
      To be honest, I'm not so sure he beats Dawson. In fact, you can quote me when I say he won't. Hopkins isn't knocking Dawson out. And he simply does not have the workrate to win a decision. He may cry foul but only if it's close. Dawson is an excellent boxer with great defensive skills and also very strong. He's not going to get muscled around on the inside. It won't look easy but he wins a unanimous decision comfortably.

      As far as Dawson being great, obviously he's not. But today, as it stands, he's the best fighter at LHW. Wins over Adamek, Tarver and Johnson again stand taller than Tarver, Wright and Pavlik - the last two leaping two divisions.

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      • #53
        Roy Jones!!!

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        • #54
          Originally posted by reedickyaluss View Post
          Roy Jones!!!
          Hey everyone, reed say Roy Jones.

          Good point reed.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by KrisSilver View Post
            That's lovely for you. I don't.

            I agree he's not a great style for him, but neither was Calzaghe.

            Is Dawson more experienced than Calzaghe, does he have a higher work rate? Does he chase and press the fight like Calzaghe does and as much? Is he a cleverer more adaptable all round boxer? No, not more so.

            Hopkins would actually succeed more in negating his work rate than he did with Joe, and he would bulleye Chad around more than Joe. He's simply be too accurate, defensive, clever, illusive, countering well and confusing Chad.

            I agree with Ring having Hopkins as LHW #1.

            Most people used to also agree with that just months ago.

            He wins some re matches over names he was expected to beat again, and suddenly he's better than Hopkins.

            Sorry folks, hype train alert, I like Chad, but he's simply, NOT.
            what made that fight close is calzaghe's lack of footwork, he has fast hands, can usually see a punch coming, but he's best defence is an offense and he just does'nt move enough, dawson does

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            • #56
              Originally posted by dans01234 View Post
              Hey everyone, reed say Roy Jones.

              Good point reed.
              Thanks man Just keeping it unbias.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by KrisSilver View Post
                That's lovely for you. I don't.

                I agree he's not a great style for him, but neither was Calzaghe.

                Is Dawson more experienced than Calzaghe, does he have a higher work rate? Does he chase and press the fight like Calzaghe does and as much? Is he a cleverer more adaptable all round boxer? No, not more so.

                Hopkins would actually succeed more in negating his work rate than he did with Joe, and he would bulleye Chad around more than Joe. He's simply be too accurate, defensive, clever, illusive, countering well and confusing Chad.

                I agree with Ring having Hopkins as LHW #1.

                Most people used to also agree with that just months ago.

                He wins some re matches over names he was expected to beat again, and suddenly he's better than Hopkins.

                Sorry folks, hype train alert, I like Chad, but he's simply, NOT.
                Well Hopkins and Joe didn't want any, so we'll never really know. Can't blame Chad for not TRYING to prove himself. Those guys didn't want to fight him so he moved on.

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                • #58
                  dawson proved saturday that he is the best lightheavy in the world and has consistently beaten top lightheavys...anyone talking about hopkins wtf are you smoking...hopkins only fights middleweights at a catchweight...

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                  • #59
                    Dawson is the best at 174,only problem is,that B-Hop & Jones aren't gonna fight him because their older now & can't keep up with him!!He beats the rest if they ever fight!!

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
                      To be honest, I'm not so sure he beats Dawson. In fact, you can quote me when I say he won't. Hopkins isn't knocking Dawson out. And he simply does not have the workrate to win a decision. He may cry foul but only if it's close. Dawson is an excellent boxer with great defensive skills and also very strong. He's not going to get muscled around on the inside. It won't look easy but he wins a unanimous decision comfortably.

                      As far as Dawson being great, obviously he's not. But today, as it stands, he's the best fighter at LHW. Wins over Adamek, Tarver and Johnson again stand taller than Tarver, Wright and Pavlik - the last two leaping two divisions.
                      I respect your opinion and this is actually backed up unlike most just going along and voting for whose just won recently, which does happen so often.

                      You make a really strong case.

                      Now, I can be honest enough to accept Hopkins nearly got a nod against Calzaghe with that low work rate and lowering his opponents. Making him miss, escaping being caught up too much, countering well, bossing the ring more AT times.

                      I simply think he does all of these things more with Dawson. In-fact you cannot deny it would be true to some degree, he would lower Dawsons work rate. He would show him a style and some moves he's not dealt with before. Tarver and Johnson are simply way way more predictable than Hopkins. Chad was simply too often without a quick clever answer when losing a round, he just continues rather than adapting much in fight.

                      I'm sorry but I see it similar to the Calzaghe match, with a shrewder Hopkins still, manipulating his younger opponent, making him miss, throw a lot less, landing quite often as I don't think Chad's terribly difficult to hit if timed well. And coming away with a close decision.

                      Heck he was only a couple of rounds off doing it to Joe, why the hell couldn't he to Chad whom as good as he is, has less experience, ring savvy, and work rate?

                      Calzaghe and Hopkins were ranked above Chad, because they beat him.
                      Last edited by Kris Silver; 11-09-2009, 11:02 AM.

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