Monte Barrett: "Nikolai Valuev Will Beat David Haye"

[Tobi.G]

Interesting what he said about Haye and Wlad...that they have the same type of power. That they have power but not heavy-handed but lots of pop in their punches. Hmmm...I wonder who Barrett consider to be heavy-handed?Has he ever fought any heavy-handed boxers? Probably Hasim Rahman.

Yes, Rahams punches are verry heavy handed, but he lacks speed and skill and cant land anything against Top fighters, especially when hes out of shape as against Wlad. But the guy has brute strenght but is verry sloppy.

[internetworld7]

If someone knocks you out, they're heavy handed Monte.

[Sick/]

I can't take Monte seriously as he can't even enter a ring properly

[Hitman932]

I don't know what was up with Valuev when he fought Holyfield maybe he respected him to much or maybe he had an off night. But, what I do know is Haye is not Holyfield and in my opinion Haye does not even have close to the boxing skills that even a 46 year Holyfield has. To me Haye is little more then a brawler with fast hands. And as I stated earlier I believe most of his power comes from winging his punches. And if anyone took a serious look at his career his record would indicate that he is not as good a fighter as all the hoopla would suggest.

So let us go ahead and take a serious look at Haye's career. He fought an old fighter in Thompson who he beat around the ring until Thompson knocked him out. The very limited and old Italian Fragomeni hit him and hit him often while extending him into the ninth round, and if I remember correctly the Italian blooded him up pretty good. And by the way Frag only has I believe ten KO's in almost thirty fights. So, who knows what might have happened if he any power. Then Haye wins the title from an old Mormeck, who has not fought since. And in Hayes only defense he knocks out class jaw Big Macc. Who in turn gets knocked out in two of his next three fights including one by a fighter who happens to have just six ko's in fourteen fights. I will say that Haye deserves credit for unifying the belts but he was never the undisputed champ that he claims he was. So, please someone point out to me when and where Haye dominated the Crusierweight division? Now, let us move onto Monte Barrett.

I have stated before on this forum that I vividly remember that Monte was thought of as an undeserving challenger to Wlads belt when he fought him nine years ago. So, I have to ask what had Barrett done in the last nine years that warranted him being a world class heavyweight contender that moved Haye into a position to fight for the title? Well, I for one am not sure so let us take a look at his record.

Since Monte lost to Wlad he has lost to any fighter who even remotely resembles a world class fighter, to include someone named Baby Joe. Monte also lost to a fighter named Cliff Couser. As of now Couser's record stands at a very imposing 26(14)-20(11). His win over Monte happened to be his only win in a twelve fight losing streak which included him being stopped eight times. And if anyone cares Couser knocked Monte cold within two rounds. In fairness to Monte he did stop Cliff in a rematch but does it really matter. However, it does not stop there.

In fairness to Haye I thought I would take a look at what course Monte's career has taken since their fight. And just a few weeks ago Monte was knocked out in two rounds by a Cuban heavyweight named Solis. I will admit that I knew noting about Solis and found out that he was a great amateur before he defected from Cuba with Yuriorkis Gamboa. Solis's record is a good one at 15(11)-0 so I thought no shame in Monte losing to him. But then I realized that Solis who stands at 6'1" weighed in at over 270 pounds when he fought Monte. So, what kind of shape could this guy have been in? And on a little side note. When I read the information on Solis no where in the couple of bios that I read on him did it say that he beat Barrett. So, within a year of Monte being the litmus test for Haye to fight for the title, is he such an afterthought that Solis's bio did not even bother to mention him as a former contender that Solis had beaten? And if Monte was ever close to be a world class contender, or for that matter a fringe contender, it is obvious to me that those days have long drifted into boxing history

So there you have it. These are not numbers or statistics that I made up because I am not a fan of Hayes. These are the facts that surround David Haye and his opponents. However, in fairness to Haye I will explain why I am not a fan of his. My problem with him stems from the fact that he did little to dominate the cruiser division and moves up to fight for the heavyweight title without every fighting or much less beating a legit heavyweight. Also, in fairness to Haye, I also have issues with Adamek popping up in the top ten of the heavyweights just by saying he is moving up and then by polishing off the Polish knucklehead Golota he shows up in the top ten. What can I say, I always wanted to use Polish and polish in the same sentence and I finally got my opportunity. Anyways, I know some will argue that this is just how boxing works. That may be so but that does not mean that I have to agree with it. And after all Holyfield did it the old fashioned way because he earned his shot at what used to be one of the most coveted prizes in sports the Heavyweight Championship Belt.

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Everybody should read it twice to make sure they get it through their thick skulls.

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[The_Demon]

Here is the only person in the thread whose post is worth half a ****.

Everybody should read it twice to make sure they get it through their thick skulls.

A+ for Ravens.... Thanks for being one of the only decent posters around.

why dont you like haye,hm i wonder
oh of course,hes not american
duh

[Dave Rado]

To me Haye is little more then a brawler with fast hands.

He has good lateral movement and good head movement. I think you badly under-estimate his ability.

[Analysis of who he beat at Cruiser]

I agree that his standard of opposition wasn't tremendous and that he didn't clear out the division as he likes to claim, but the point is that he won the lineal and Ring titles when he fought Mormeck, and in Mormeck's backyard. And although Haye effectively retired Mormeck, Mormeck was coming off a good UD against O'Neil Bell. Most people considered Mormeck to be "the man" at the time, and Haye beat "the man". He then unified against Maccarinelli, who was over-rated, but was generally rated in the top 3 at the time, so it was a legit defence.

And he moved up when he did because he had been having trouble making weight for a couple of years by then. He'd been planning the move to heavyweight long before he moved up, but wanted to win the lineal title first. He only took the Maccarinelli fight because people would have accused him of ducking if he hadn't, and because he was offered a good payday, but he had originally planned to move up earlier than he did.

I will say that Haye deserves credit for unifying the belts but he was never the undisputed champ that he claims he was.

He was the man because he beat the man, and in his own backyard.

[Analysis of Monte Barrett's credentials]

The point was not that anyone thought Barrett was world class, and no one claimed that Barrett was a contender. The point of that fight was simply that he was a decent gatekeeper who had a reputation for destroying over-hyped prospects, so he was a reasonable testing-the-water fight for Haye's first fight at the weight.

My problem with [Haye] stems from the fact that he did little to dominate the cruiser division and moves up to fight for the heavyweight title without every fighting or much less beating a legit heavyweight.

It's perfectly normal for a lineal champion to move up in weight and immediately get a title shot without beating a legit contender first. It's happened literally hundreds of times. I don't understand why people hold that against Haye, when hundreds of other fighters have done the same thing. If Haye loses to Valuev, he'll be history. If he wins, he'll have proved he deserved his shot. Either way, it'll give Valuev a very good payday, which is the reason Valuev (and both Klitschkos) wanted to fight Haye. That's boxing, live with it.

[The_Demon]

He has good lateral movement and good head movement. I think you badly under-estimate his ability.



I agree that his standard of opposition wasn't tremendous and that he didn't clear out the division as he likes to claim, but the point is that he won the lineal and Ring titles when he fought Mormeck, and in Mormeck's backyard. And although Haye effectively retired Mormeck, Mormeck was coming off a good UD against O'Neil Bell. Most people considered Mormeck to be the man at the time, and Haye beat the man. He then unified against Maccarinelli, who was over-rated, but was generally rated in the top 3 at the time.



He was the man because he beat the man, and in his own backyard.



The point was not that anyone thought Barrett was world class, and no one claimed that Barrett was a contender. The point of that fight was simply that he was a decent gatekeeper who had a reputation for destroying over-hyped prospects, so he was a reasonable testing-the-water fight for Haye's first fight at the weight.



It's perfectly normal for a lineal champion to move up in weight and immediately get a title shot without beating a legit contender first. It's happened literally hundreds of times. I don't understand why people hold that against Haye, when hundreds of other fighters have done the same thing. If Haye loses to Valuev, he'll be history. If he wins, he'll have proved he deserved his shot. Either way, it'll give Valuev a very good payday, which is the reason Valuev (and both Klitschkos) wanted to fight Haye. That's boxing, live with it.

you just owned him dave
badly

[Hitman932]

He has good lateral movement and good head movement. I think you badly under-estimate his ability.

If Haye has good lateral movement than I am a better songwriter than John Lennon and McCartney combined.

Haye is in a class above Andre Dirrell when it comes to athletic fighters who don't know how to properly move their feet.

[Clyde Barrow]

Monte's entrance vs Haye=ATG fail.

[Freddy Krueger]

Valuev really looked like he hurt and tired Barrett out.