Pacquiao: Catch weight King?

[johncods]

Did everyone forget that pac only weighed 142 during the Oscar weigh in??.. He gave in to Oscar because it was ****ing Oscar the PPV king.... He clearly aint a 147 pounder heck he's already a small JWW..

[JulVal]

like i said later on the thread cotto agreed to it and its on him all i am saying is that manny does not have to go up in weight in this fight he actually has to loose. TS stated that manny has to gain weight to make the fight and that is not true.

We are talking about natural weight here. They had to eat a lot to get a lot of that weight. It's obviously not his NATURAL weight.

Pac has to go up 5 more pounds his arguable natural weight if we say that 140 is his natural weight.

Don't you know how much Pac weight at the De La Hoya fight night?
Sigh. There is more into this than what is presented in front of you. Look beyond what is presented by the media and do research please.

[Aracibo04]

Oh really? Didn't you know that Pacquiao had to keep eating to maintain his weight? Didn't you hear that Freddy had to make Pac eat so much food just so he can maintain his weight right now?

And that 150 pound plus, do you think those are all muscles? Don't you know that a lot of percent of our body weight are water and fats.

You are just proving my point with the above that manny did not have to go up in weight to make the fight, he was already at weight by means of his diet. A person like manny who is always active and eating well develops muscles and keeps that muscle very easely.. its ok you don't want to admit that it is roaches strategy to weaken his mannys opponent. we can agree to disagree..

My point was, they had to meet in the middle. Pac's going in 147 was handicap as well, can you name boxers who could easily gain weight plus bring in skills along that gained weight? Pacquiao has to work hard, point is, Oscar should also work hard.

Imagine if they didn't have to make Cotto lose 2 pounds, it would be just Paccquiao working real hard in training. Point is, they had to meet in the MIDDLE.

Freddy's point was to meet both guys' natural weight. 140+147 / 2 = 143.5 catch weight.

Again that is not accurate.. mannys natural weight now is 150+ his ideal fighting weight is 140.. cottos natural weight is 160+ his ideal fighting weight is 147... they are not the same thing dude....

anyway may the best man win.

[chinoy]

of course every trainer would like their boxer to win....and to win, you want to negate any advantages of your opponent...why the heck do you think JCC amassed a record winning streak? do you think he won by fighting at a disadvantage?

Team Pacquiao DID NOT handicapped Oscar....it was Oscar who tried to cherrypicked Pacquiao in case you are new to boxing

dont forget that as of last year, Pacquiao was fighting as a SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT

So they knew DLH would be at a disadvantage even at 147 so that makes it ok?..WOW!..

and to answer your question..if you actually train yourself..you'd know that gaining 5lbs is alot easier than losing 2lbs of muscle

I'm just saying..Pacquiao looked AMAZING at 147lbs..and Cotto is a good 147lb fighter..right?..what was the point of making the man drop 2lbs if Pacquiao had experienced the higher weight and looked GREAT!..

is it because they handicapped the last man they fought at 147lbs and knew he'd look like ****?..

[JulVal]

Did everyone forget that pac only weighed 142 during the Oscar weigh in??.. He gave in to Oscar because it was ****ing Oscar the PPV king.... He clearly aint a 147 pounder heck he's already a small JWW..

Bumping this for that guy Aracibo04 to see that PAC is not a real 147 pounder. THEY STRUGGLE TO MAKE 145. In reference to Pac weighing in really light and walking in only 4 pounds heavier at fight night vs the De La Hoya fight.

[Aracibo04]

We are talking about natural weight here. They had to eat a lot to get a lot of that weight. It's obviously not his NATURAL weight.

Pac has to go up 5 more pounds his arguable natural weight if we say that 140 is his natural weight.

Don't you know how much Pac weight at the De La Hoya fight night?
Sigh. There is more into this than what is presented in front of you. Look beyond what is presented by the media and do research please.

man i don't have as much time as others to go into detailed research.. in terms of diet and exercise yea I can talk about it coz i train and i enjoy reading about nutrition and excrcise

[JulVal]

You are just proving my point with the above that manny did not have to go up in weight to make the fight, he was already at weight by means of his diet. A person like manny who is always active and eating well develops muscles and keeps that muscle very easely.. its ok you don't want to admit that it is roaches strategy to weaken his mannys opponent. we can agree to disagree..


Again that is not accurate.. mannys natural weight now is 150+ his ideal fighting weight is 140.. cottos natural weight is 160+ his ideal fighting weight is 147... they are not the same thing dude....

anyway may the best man win.

150 is not his natural weight. It's a weight they had to work real hard for through constant eating and excercise. Oh come on! He was a 106 pounder when he started his career. How can he be suddenly a natural 150 at once?

Do you want me to define the word, NATURAL, for you?

[..WaRSpencE..]

Cotto couldnt go down to 140 anymore to meet Manny, so they're meeting at 145.

But why would mayweather fight PW at 147? didnt he fight at 154 before? that be the same logic used with manny/cotto

It's not the same logic..

because Williams has fought actively in 3 different weight classes from WW to JMW to MW

Since Cotto left 140...he hasn't looked back or came back for anybody..so why would he now?..

Williams has..he's been at 160 and came back to 147 to get a fight with no problem..so Williams has more control with his weight being that he's taller and he fits those 3 divisions perfectly..Cotto is short and muscular (stocky) he can't cut much more weight or he'd be dehydrated and it could be dangerous for him to even fight..

I'll tell you now..if he would've agreed to Roach's dumb ass 143..Cotto would've collapsed..

[Aracibo04]

Bumping this for that guy Aracibo04 to see that PAC is not a real 147 pounder. THEY STRUGGLE TO MAKE 145. In reference to Pac weighing in really light and walking in only 4 pounds heavier at fight night vs the De La Hoya fight.

you guys love to live in the past..
well come nov.14 if cotto beats pac you will have a lot to go back on... back then for DHL manny did have to go up in weight everyone knows that. but now he doesnt and you can't accept that simple fact.

[baracuda]

You are just proving my point with the above that manny did not have to go up in weight to make the fight, he was already at weight by means of his diet. A person like manny who is always active and eating well develops muscles and keeps that muscle very easely.. its ok you don't want to admit that it is roaches strategy to weaken his mannys opponent. we can agree to disagree..



Again that is not accurate.. mannys natural weight now is 150+ his ideal fighting weight is 140.. cottos natural weight is 160+ his ideal fighting weight is 147... they are not the same thing dude....

anyway may the best man win.

man , if you base it on walk around weight, cotto should be fghting guys in the super six right now...lol.....