Roger Mayweather Working the Mitts

[fordhamboxing]

Pullcounter what exactly do you qualify as a strategy then? What are you looking for?

[etlux]

Pullcounter what exactly do you qualify as a strategy then? What are you looking for?

strategy means an overall general/gestalt pre-conception as opposed to momentary reactions which is called tactics

[Wapacman]

Roger is overated.. Tell me who's he trained that was good other than floyd?? And floyd is a natural talent, he could have been trained by any other trainer and he'd still be great.. I'd take roach's mitt routine over roger any day because roach simulates where the punches need to be thrown, rthymn of a fight and stuff.. I'm not trying to be an expert here but tell me who's he trained other than floyd??

I disagree with you and would have to say you have a very biased opinion.

[Wapacman]

To have knowledge means you can emplore strategy. I mean come on man, I know they act dumb but they aren't ****** when it comes to boxing. All you have to do is listen to Roger or Floyd talk about boxing and you will see they know a lot about fighters and how to counter them. That's strategy...

I used the Jmm vs Manny fight because everyone was wondering how Floyd was going to approach the JMM fight. A lot of people said Floyd might come in and rush JMM, use his size and strength.

Instead, he countered a counter puncher because it was the best STRATEGY and paid off. He learned from the Manny fight and understood that even though he had the advantage in almost every category, he would still counter punch with JMM and it paid off. Floyd not losing a round..

Believe me, they understand strategy and understand boxing. I have heard him talk many times about certain fighters and how to counter what they do, even historic fighters. They know strategy, they just don't talk about it.

They don't even allow cameras in the sparring sessions.....they are just funny like that.

Your wasting your time debating with pullcounter, he is a ***** and probably weighs 300 pounds.

[paulsinghnl]

lol this was an old thread that i pulled back up guys, i dont think this discussion is still ongoing. mittwork is designed how to react in a match/fight. i think Mayweather's mittwork comes closest to the real thing.

[check hook]

countering isn't a strategy, its a tactic.


nah... they had no strategy. floyd went in there and noticed how much bigger and faster he was and he was content to beat jmm on points. floyd counterpunched because that's what he does.


I don't think roger watch much jmm tape at all. floyd probably didn't even watch one tape of jmm to study his style and break it down.

they don't know strategy, they just know tactics and how to get in great shape. they don't talk about it because they don't have it.

I think that's just a tradition that they are used to doing. it has nothing to do with strategy.

i somewhat agree with you in that Roger is a better mitt man than a strategist, but you're fooling yourself if you believe Floyd does not watch tapes of other fighters present and historic. He is a student of the game, and there would be more about the history of the sport and style matchups in his brain than the majority of people in the sport. He is a complete LIAR with that bull****......he does adjust on the fly, but he always has a strategy going in about what things will work and what things will not....whether he will move and potshot, or stand his ground and pressure etc etc.

At the end of the day he is his own corner becasue his boxing knowledge is vast. Growing up he's learned from his father and the "old legendary Michigan trainers" as he put it. Just like Mike Tyson you can be assured Floyd has watched hundreds of hours of fight footage old and new, and knows the old fighters very well, and has learned from fights in the past what tends to happen when certain styles clash.


Floyd Sr is a better tactical and strategic trainer than Roger, but isn't as good a mitt man. You have to give it to Roger though he does give good advice when it's needed and he is usually calm in the corner......but most of the time he doesn't have that much to do.

[check hook]

Strategy can be overrated if you're fighter doesn't have the tools to execute it anyway. I'm sure ****m gave Shane two very sound strategies against Floyd and Manny, but what use were they when the man in question could not execute them??

[William Blake]

that's all roger is good for, pad work.... he don't have any strategy.

100% right.

After Shame Mosley rocked Mayweather, the advice from the corner was "box the man, all you got to do is box the man". Real inspiring and strategic words.