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  • SouthpawRight
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    #11
    Originally posted by hardleft
    the corner knows their guy the best, if they want the ref to let it roll to its conclusion they need to take responsibility for what happens, they are actually talking with him between rounds
    Furious Fabio was a recruitment consultant pre-boxing

    he's smart and has a mind to preserve

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    • hardleft
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      #12
      Originally posted by SouthpawRight
      Furious Fabio was a recruitment consultant pre-boxing

      he's smart and has a mind to preserve

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      they guy only turned pro a few years ago and has made a few mil now maybe i presume, hes a bit over achiever u would have to say surely, he placed himself in a good job, now to get out without brain damage

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        #13
        Originally posted by hardleft
        the corner knows their guy the best, if they want the ref to let it roll to its conclusion they need to take responsibility for what happens, they are actually talking with him between rounds
        Exactly what they're being criticised for - they should know better than anyone that Fabio isn't quitting. And they should know at what point they would pull him out of a fight. And they should be watching for that during the rounds.

        There's a point where it's far too dangerous and there's a point where it's not worth the risk anymore because he's too damaged to win.

        They let him go beyond both of those points. He shouldn't have finished that fight without any chance and after taking round after round of pointless beating. I understand that one shot can change things in the heavyweight division but all those shots he ate have changed his life. I'm struggling to believe that kind of beating isn't life altering.

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          #14
          We all know boxing is a very dangerous sport, and despite Dubois racking up round after round, Wardley was always in the fight, similar to Wilder was in Fury vs Wilder 3. Howard Forster, who is usually terrible, got it correct in his timing. We can all say the 1 punch too many line, but sometimes only 1 punch is needed, so 1 punch too many would be no fights ever. The guys know the dangers, just like the dangers in high speed sports like F1. Nash out - His Majesty

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          • Moz_boxing
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            #15
            First of all Ben Davidson is such an overrated trainer who after years and years still cant fix Wardleys fundamental flaws and bad habits that a super obvious to see. Wardley way to defend a punch is to duck to his right turning his head away and closing his eyes. He does that over and over again and i'm saying this for years.

            Second how inconsistent are these british Refs? Foster usually steps in way to early but somehow here he allowed a fighter to stay alive or should i say to die. Wardley was on unsteady legs for several rounds and it was a one side beatdown. I usually never say a late stoppage really never i cant even rememeber one fight but here it was just hard to watch since Wardley was not able to walk straight for 4 rounds and was absorbing every punch thrown at him.

            I'm okay with refs not stopping fights this should be done by the corner unless a fighter is clearly out like Morrell was earlier but please some consistency. How did Foster stopped Parker vs Wardley but let this go on for several rounds.

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            • Moz_boxing
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              #16
              Originally posted by Nash out
              We all know boxing is a very dangerous sport, and despite Dubois racking up round after round, Wardley was always in the fight, similar to Wilder was in Fury vs Wilder 3. Howard Forster, who is usually terrible, got it correct in his timing. We can all say the 1 punch too many line, but sometimes only 1 punch is needed, so 1 punch too many would be no fights ever. The guys know the dangers, just like the dangers in high speed sports like F1. Nash out - His Majesty
              Honestly Wardley was only in the fight when DDD came in a bit hesitant with some fear and doubt in the first few rounds but as soon as he got in his groove this was a one sided beatdown and there was nothing Wardley could have done other than landing a punch from the gods which is always a possibility but not the ground to justify someone continuing after getting beat up by a power punchers during almost every second of the fight and not being able to walk straight. It was not about him being hurt badly it was about him being hurt badly while being levels and levels below the fighter that beats him up.

              Plus a fighter without any fudamentals and fundamentals are what saves you when you are tired or hurt but Wardley never got the fundamentals teached.

              Maybe i'm a bit biased since i exactly knew Wardley only has a punchers chance and will most likely lose 99 out of 100 fights against DDD.

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                #17
                Eh I think it was alright, carry on about nothing, Fabio was still throwing punches, ref and doc looked at him a couple of times. Perfect stoppage imo

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Moz_boxing

                  Honestly Wardley was only in the fight when DDD came in a bit hesitant with some fear and doubt in the first few rounds but as soon as he got in his groove this was a one sided beatdown and there was nothing Wardley could have done other than landing a punch from the gods which is always a possibility but not the ground to justify someone continuing after getting beat up by a power punchers during almost every second of the fight and not being able to walk straight. It was not about him being hurt badly it was about him being hurt badly while being levels and levels below the fighter that beats him up.

                  Plus a fighter without any fudamentals and fundamentals are what saves you when you are tired or hurt but Wardley never got the fundamentals teached.

                  Maybe i'm a bit biased since i exactly knew Wardley only has a punchers chance and will most likely lose 99 out of 100 fights against DDD.
                  He landed the odd big shot in at least half the rounds after the early rounds. Shots that would have knocked many out. He deserved to still be in there. I thought Dubois would win, but had I had a significant amount if money on him I would have still had some concern right til the end, as Wardley was still landing good shots here and there, and at HW that's all you need. Dubois completely outclassed Joshua, then took a shot out of nowhere that would have knocked most out, then floored AJ again.

                  I think Dubois has a very good chin, but is susceptible to those side/top of head shots, which is where he got hit for both the knockdowns. I'd love Dubois vs Moses. Don't want Dubois vs Usyk 3, as Usyk is just all wrong for Dubois. Nash out - His Majesty

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                  • Moz_boxing
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Nash out

                    He landed the odd big shot in at least half the rounds after the early rounds. Shots that would have knocked many out. He deserved to still be in there. I thought Dubois would win, but had I had a significant amount if money on him I would have still had some concern right til the end, as Wardley was still landing good shots here and there, and at HW that's all you need. Dubois completely outclassed Joshua, then took a shot out of nowhere that would have knocked most out, then floored AJ again.

                    I think Dubois has a very good chin, but is susceptible to those side/top of head shots, which is where he got hit for both the knockdowns. I'd love Dubois vs Moses. Don't want Dubois vs Usyk 3, as Usyk is just all wrong for Dubois. Nash out - His Majesty
                    Agree with you more or less just don't really think Wardley was likely to catch DDD with a finishing shot after the first couple rounds and the damage he took was just to much to take that gamble with such a low chance of finding that 1 in a million shot. Like you stated DDD has a very good chin i never saw him badly hurt or out and i'm still convinced he could have gone easily up against Usyk in the second fight but it is always the mental part that makes him go down and more important stay down.

                    Even the temple shots he looked fine and he most of the time makes the decision to take a knee with a clear mind and in this fight maybe it even helped him but it seems like as soon as he gets hurt he can't handle the idea of continue fighting and needs a break. But i saw him take big shots and again he was never out and never even badly hurt and as soon as he makes is mind up to get you he even walks through your best shots like one of Wardleys uppercuts which DDD just ate like it was nothing, its just his mind.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Moz_boxing

                      Agree with you more or less just don't really think Wardley was likely to catch DDD with a finishing shot after the first couple rounds and the damage he took was just to much to take that gamble with such a low chance of finding that 1 in a million shot. Like you stated DDD has a very good chin i never saw him badly hurt or out and i'm still convinced he could have gone easily up against Usyk in the second fight but it is always the mental part that makes him go down and more important stay down.

                      Even the temple shots he looked fine and he most of the time makes the decision to take a knee with a clear mind and in this fight maybe it even helped him but it seems like as soon as he gets hurt he can't handle the idea of continue fighting and needs a break. But i saw him take big shots and again he was never out and never even badly hurt and as soon as he makes is mind up to get you he even walks through your best shots like one of Wardleys uppercuts which DDD just ate like it was nothing, its just his mind.
                      I think mentally he broke vs Usyk as he was having zero success. Had he not done that, he'd have a puncher's chance. I think the difficult thing in stopping it earlier had 4 reasons. 1. Wardley knocked Dubois down twice, 2. Wardley is the champion, 3. Wardley is unbeaten, 4. Wardley has never been down (still hasn't been somehow) so these all have to be factored in, and that's a lot of plus points for Wardley to justify it going on. Nash out - His Majesty

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