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  • daggum
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    #21
    Originally posted by hugh grant
    3 wins over fury historically is good. I mean if Fury fought ALI 3 times people might think Fury beats Ali once
    yeah but he didnt he fougth wilder 3 times who was horrible

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    • PRINCEKOOL
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      #22
      A lot of people are going on about Agit Kabayel, but in reality? Kabayel just like Joseph Parker is overrated.

      Note: Fighters such as Agit Kabayel have been professional fighters, for a longer duration of time than Anthony Joshua.

      So? Where exactly was Kabayel during the peak years of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder 'The facts are Kabayel has been for the large majority of his career, a non factor at heavyweight top level. Not due to him being avoided, but because he was not good enough'.

      Oleksandr Uysk has beaten the two premier champions of this era, and those are Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Uysk came into the heavyweight divisions, at an opportune time. The divisions had already been cleared out entirely in combination by the three heavyweight mountains i.e. Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder'.

      That is why after Oleksandr Uysk beat Fury and Joshua twice back to back, the only fighters left for him to fight at top level were 'front runners at top level like Daniel Dubois, and then fighters like Joseph Parker who had already been beaten easily by Anthony Joshua when he was an undefeated WBO World Champion'.

      Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, and he is the most accomplished active fighter in the sport 'but he has been a very opportunistic fighter. In my opinion if Uysk had moved up into the heavyweight divisions just a few years early than he did, beating both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua would have been a completely different level of challenge'.

      Those two wins that Oleksandr Uysk achieved vs. Fury and Joshua 'are still pound for pound the two greatest wins of the past 15 years in the entire sport. But neither Fury and Joshua where at their absolute best, Joshua was highly conditioned and skill for skill in great form. But he was clearly still carrying trauma from his lost against Andy Ruiz Junior I.

      And Tyson Fury by the time he eventually fought Oleksandr Uysk, that was his first real elite level fight skill for skill for 8 to 9 years 'Deontay Wilder was a top level fight, but in terms of technical ability Wilder was not a elite level challenge'.

      Oleksandr Uysk in my opinion, has never had the appetite to be a heavyweight champion 'in terms of taking on all-comers and defending his titles. The reality is Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, have both forced him into semi-retirement'.

      To conclude: Overall yes the choice of Oleksandr Uysk latest defence is not the best 'but like I stated at the beginning of my post. This era is in its conclusive stages, all of the fighters you see knocking about are ether? Up and coming fighters, or fighters that were not really good enough to be a factor at top level during the peak years of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder's heavyweight reigns' etc.




      Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; Yesterday, 12:22 PM.

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      • hugh grant
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        #23
        Originally posted by daggum

        yeah but he didnt he fougth wilder 3 times who was horrible
        Yeh, but can you remember a time when many believed h2h fury does well against anyone in history? Sometime before he went life and death with ngannou.
        in hindsight maybe people no longer think fury ever beats Ali

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          #24
          Originally posted by JOITATS


          Reaffirming that Usyk only cares about the money, and not about fighting the best.

          As I said, he can fight whoever he pleases but that's not the definition of a top P4P fighter.
          oleksandr is only getting away with this because he’s English second language and heavyweight

          A Brit or American who’s smaller this sht wouldn’t be allowed to fly

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            #25
            Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
            A lot of people are going on about Agit Kabayel, but in reality? Kabayel just like Joseph Parker is overrated.

            Note: Fighters such as Agit Kabayel have been professional fighters, for a longer duration of time than Anthony Joshua.

            So? Where exactly was Kabayel during the peak years of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder 'The facts are Kabayel has been for the large majority of his career, a non factor at heavyweight top level. Not due to him being avoided, but because he was not good enough'.

            Oleksandr Uysk has beaten the two premier champions of this era, and those are Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Uysk came into the heavyweight divisions, at an opportune time. The divisions had already been cleared out entirely in combination by the three heavyweight mountains i.e. Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder'.

            That is why after Oleksandr Uysk beat Fury and Joshua twice back to back, the only fighters left for him to fight at top level were 'front runners at top level like Daniel Dubois, and then fighters like Joseph Parker who had already been beaten easily by Anthony Joshua when he was an undefeated WBO World Champion'.

            Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, and he is the most accomplished active fighter in the sport 'but he has been a very opportunistic fighter. In my opinion if Uysk had moved up into the heavyweight divisions just a few years early than he did, beating both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua would have been a completely different level of challenge'.

            Those two wins that Oleksandr Uysk achieved vs. Fury and Joshua 'are still pound for pound the two greatest wins of the past 15 years in the entire sport. But neither Fury and Joshua where at their absolute best, Joshua was highly conditioned and skill for skill in great form. But he was clearly still carrying trauma from his lost against Andy Ruiz Junior I.

            And Tyson Fury by the time he eventually fought Oleksandr Uysk, that was his first real elite level fight skill for skill for 8 to 9 years 'Deontay Wilder was a top level fight, but in terms of technical ability Wilder was not a elite level challenge'.

            Oleksandr Uysk in my opinion, has never had the appetite to be a heavyweight champion 'in terms of taking on all-comers and defending his titles. The reality is Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, have both forced him into semi-retirement'.

            To conclude: Overall yes the choice of Oleksandr Uysk latest defence is not the best 'but like I stated at the beginning of my post. This era is in its conclusive stages, all of the fighters you see knocking about are ether? Up and coming fighters, or fighters that were not really good enough to be a factor at top level during the peak years of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder's heavyweight reigns' etc.



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              #26
              Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

              Nobody buys your excuses.
              This guy’s reign is meh

              Definitely not upper echelon all time great

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              • daggum
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                #27
                usyk became just like every other person who gets dazzled by fame and fortune...a coward and fraud

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                • IronDanHamza
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                  #28
                  Not sure the logic behind saying you'll fight the Wardley-Dubois winner when he's just vacated his title instead of fighting Wardley and he's already beaten Dubois twice...

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Haka
                    First Joe Joyce was the boogey man and got taken over by Zhang who lost to Parker who lost to Wardley, that makes Wardley from the contenders the 'lineal' challenger assuming a win against Dubois. Kabayel has not been on that same trail and if both Fury and Kabayel don't want to fight eachother that is simply not Usyk's problem since Kabayel does not have that signature win, like Wardley, that warrants a fight.
                    This is what happens when the world title is passed around between the same 3 guys for a decade

                    The top contenders all wipe each other out.

                    Upsets are common in heavyweight boxing, but there's less chance of them happening if the champion fights once a year against guys he's already beaten

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by NihonJim

                      This is what happens when the world title is passed around between the same 3 guys for a decade

                      The top contenders all wipe each other out.

                      Upsets are common in heavyweight boxing, but there's less chance of them happening if the champion fights once a year against guys he's already beaten
                      olek’s one a year program is his passive ducking strategy

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