I UNDERSTAND why people think Sugar Ray was the GOAT

[HisExcellency]

add Floyd and you'd have half of the top 10 all time list in ONE photo

Haha I think you meant Pacquiao!

Is that Ezzard Charles on the far left standing next to LaMotta?

Man the fighter's from back in the day were so much CLASSIER and respectable than today's lot bar a few like Bivol & Usyk.

[HisExcellency]

ABILITY

What other fighter could beat you more ways than could Sugar Ray Robinson? Ray could out box boxers and out punch punchers. He could do it inside or outside, going forward or backward. That cannot be said of any other all time great that finished in the top 5 in the IBRO poll. Not Harry Greb, not Henry Armstrong, not Sam Langford, not Roberto Duran. Nor could it be said of 7^th and 8th place finishers Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis. Runner up Armstrong and 3rd place finisher Greb were primarily pressure fighters who had to carry the fight to be effective, they could only fight one way and were not as versatile as Robinson. Men like Louis, Langford, and Duran could box and punch, but they could not “outbox” boxers with speed and agility. Clever boxers like Ali and 6^th place finisher Willie Pep could outbox punchers but could not out punch punchers. Ali was also one dimensional in that he was strictly a head hunter and not a complete fighter. Pep while a superb strategic boxer lacked the all around ability, hitting power and competition of Robinson. The only other boxer who finished in the top 10 that can outbox boxers and outpunch punchers and can compare in all around ability is 10^th place finisher Ray Leonard but he lacked Robbie’s longevity, his two handed power and was not quite as indestructible as was Robinson.

Although not as fundamentally sound as Joe Louis, Robinson was more multifaceted. Louis was an economically sound boxer who wasted no movement, had a tight structure and threw short compact punches with precision and power. According to the boxing book that is how it is supposed to be done. Robinson transcended that by adding fluidity of movement and grace to his ring style. Sugar Ray was not the first fighter to fight in the elegant style that he possessed. What made Robinson so special was that he combined speed, balance and flash with devastating explosive power.

Men like Louis, Langford, and Dempsey could knock you out with one punch from either hand. So could Robinson. Ray could do it with his powerful left hook as he did against Gene Fullmer or with his perfect straight right as he did against Rocky Graziano. Joe Louis could throw triple left hooks with speed, power and accuracy that could destroy a man. Robinson could throw triple left hooks and triple right hooks that could do the same. Who else could do that and maintain frightening power? Punch for punch Ray Robinson was one of boxing histories all time best punchers. The Ring magazine rated him 11th among all the great punchers of history in their 2003 article the 100 greatest punchers of all time.

In terms of combination punching the two best fighters in history for speed, power, and accuracy are Joe Louis and Ray Robinson. Robinson worked some of the prettiest combinations ever seen and can be considered the best ever in this category. Robinson was also a great body puncher. In a comparison to some of the great Mexican body punchers of the recent era like Julio Cesar Chavez and Marco Antonio Barrera; who go to the body primarily around the opponents guard, Robinson punched up the middle as well as to the outside. Robinson was an aggressive, dexterous puncher with many weapons to choose from.

Killer instinct is the instrument the drives the wheel of destruction in many of the great fighters. Nat Fleischer once wrote that Robinson, for all his skill, could rip and tear like a Jack Dempsey. Some commentators have stated that Robinson was not a great defensive fighter. This is no doubt true. When one is aggressive and really goes after their opponent’s they are going to leave themselves open for counters. This is not necessarily a bad thing. When Robinson was on the attack his opponents had to worry about his full battery of offensive weapons. Robinson’s defense was his irrepressible offense, although he used his footwork, height and reach to get away from trouble when necessary.

Robinson had a great chin and his will to win is among the best. Sugar Ray was never physically knocked out in more than 200 pro fights. One can see Robinson’s gritty determination in his films. He punishes his rivals as though he is upset that they would even think that they could compete with him. He was as determined and confident as any boxing champion in history.

Ray Robinson was the archetype of a complete fighter. If one combines his polished, grand boxing style with his powerful punching and cast iron chin with a will to win unsurpassed in the annals of boxing one has a perfect fighter.

That's exactly what I meant...his style is almost impossible to win against and his speed, athleticism, reflexes and combinations were unmatched.

It must've been like trying to fight a WHIRLWIND coming at you from all different directions who could punch.

Absolutely beautiful fighter to watch.

[HisExcellency]

sugar ray robinson lost 19 times...floyd didnt lose 19 rounds his entire career! not sure he lost any but a couple debatable ones i guess

Is this a joke? SRR fought 201 pro fights so 19 losses is perfectly acceptable especially considering the fact that he started fighting at Lightweight but went all the way up to Light Heavyweight.

You don't see fighter's taking those kind of RISKS nowadays!

[SouthpawRight]

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Haha I think you meant Pacquiao!

Is that Ezzard Charles on the far left standing next to LaMotta?

Man the fighter's from back in the day were so much CLASSIER and respectable than today's lot bar a few like Bivol & Usyk.

hard disagree your bff nato ally djtmal failing to derail your thread to turn it into posts about Floyd shows who truly was THAT igga

the comparisons to Sugar Robinson = his subconscious mind accepts Floyd was THAT igga

as do the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of boxing YouTubers such as Boxing Gems who pits the best of THIS era TBud up against Floyd in fantasy h2h analysis videos

yes that's Ezzard

they weren't just the golden age of boxing but the golden age of America

American tailoring was at its peak then. See the elegant silhouette and dr@pe of US suits decades ago

Americans became outrageous over time their euroid underlings followed

That's exactly what I meant...his style is almost impossible to win against and his speed, athleticism, reflexes and combinations were unmatched.

It must've been like trying to fight a WHIRLWIND coming at you from all different directions who could punch.

Absolutely beautiful fighter to watch.

every fighter ultimately grows into himself and develops his own unique style that can't be duplicated

no one fights exactly like the most influential boxers ever Joe Louis Sugar Robinson Muhammad Sugar Leonard Mike Tyson Floyd

they inspired countless young men but everyone grows into their own man

people still can't become carbon copies of TEXTBOOK guys Joe Louis Ricardo Lopez Juan Top Soviet Bivol

chances are next to none to replicate a special effects max boxer Sugar Robinson

Is this a joke? SRR fought 201 pro fights so 19 losses is perfectly acceptable especially considering the fact that he started fighting at Lightweight but went all the way up to Light Heavyweight.

You don't see fighter's taking those kind of RISKS nowadays!

fighters back then had no financial education

much of those losses came when Sugar and Ezzard were shot old men in need of paydays

[djtmal]

hard disagree your bff nato ally djtmal failing to derail your thread to turn it into posts about Floyd shows who truly was THAT igga

the comparisons to Sugar Robinson = his subconscious mind accepts Floyd was THAT igga

as do the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of boxing YouTubers such as Boxing Gems who pits the best of THIS era TBud up against Floyd in fantasy h2h analysis videos

yes that's Ezzard

they weren't just the golden age of boxing but the golden age of America

American tailoring was at its peak then. See the elegant silhouette and dr@pe of US suits decades ago

Americans became outrageous over time their euroid underlings followed

every fighter ultimately grows into himself and develops his own unique style that can't be duplicated

no one fights exactly like the most influential boxers ever Joe Louis Sugar Robinson Muhammad Sugar Leonard Mike Tyson Floyd

they inspired countless young men but everyone grows into their own man

people still can't become carbon copies of TEXTBOOK guys Joe Louis Ricardo Lopez Juan Top Soviet Bivol

chances are next to none to replicate a special effects max boxer Sugar Robinson
fighters back then had no financial education

much of those losses came when Sugar and Ezzard were shot old men in need of paydays

All Floyd had to do was fight the best guys in their prime and he wouldn't get so much pushback

[daggum]

All Floyd had to do was fight the best guys in their prime and he wouldn't get so much pushback

baldomir was the best derrp

[Carpe Diem]

He wasn’t better than Terence “TBE” Crawford

[SouthpawRight]

Spray_resistant

He wasn’t better than Terence “TBE” Crawford

old school fighters who didn't lift weights at all were tiny. Sugar Robinson fought at middleweight and only had a 36.5" chest, 15.5" neck, 11.5" fists, and a 29" waist and 20" thighs as a blubbery 40 year old man.

I'd be extremely undersized at middleweight but have similar dimensions doing only casual calisthenics for 15 mins a day

Small Welters Floyd & manny have bigger dimensions than Middleweight King Sugar Robinson. lifting weights for bulk changed the game

From religious use of neck brace weights Floyd has a huge 16.5" neck on his small 5 ft 8 ectomorph frame. Big neck contributed to his iron chin hero

Buff Guy BBC Adonis Joshua the GigaTyrone Of Boxing are included for an idea of how big the SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS are. He has an 18" neck. Iron Chin Hero Mike Tyson neck monstrosity was rumored to be 20"

[hugh grant]

Floyd was perfect, but Sugar Robinson was STRIKING

the best attacker and defender

Floyd was more like Willie pep. Pac was more like srr. That's why Pac s pf p the best of era

[SouthpawRight]

Floyd was more like Willie pep. Pac was more like srr. That's why Pac s pf p the best of era

no

manny is a headhunter who needs to land his backhand for knockouts

Sugar Robinson would ko with either hand and regularly go to the body

manny is far behind Sugar Robinson when it comes to back foot boxing, jabbing, and close quarters fighting

Sugar Robinson beat Willie as amateurs. manny fumbled hard against his defensive wizard. Different leagues when it comes to cutting off the ring

guys who are like Sugar Robinson are Muhammad for the movement and Sugar Leonard for the offense