Why do the fighters who achieve more get more disrespect?

[NihonJim]

Saw someone in another thread discussing Fury vs Kabayel saying "prime fury might have had a chance"

Might

Fury was a two time world champion, ring champion, wbc, wba, ibf wbo champion, beat am unbeaten world champion and a world champion on a 10 year winning streak


Kabayels best win is probably still Derek Chisora back in 2017.

Like, why do the boxers who have actually had great achievements get disrespected so much in favour of whatever flavour of the month contender is out there.

People are acting like Kabayel is this unbeatable beast because he's bashed up a few half decent contenders.

It's insane.

[Coverdale]

Look in the mirror: your own threads are a constant stream of negativity. Ask yourself why you do that.

[The Big Dunn]

I think unfortunately it’s a sign of the times. Casual fans are very invested in knocking a boxer down for some reason.

Has been ongoing with boxers like Roy and Floyd, certain posters always wanting to minimize their accomplishments and performances.

Lately you see this with Usyk and Inoue.

I am no GGG fan, but some poster got on him for “never moving up” as if making 160 for 15 years straight was some kind of negative.

[PRINCEKOOL]

A lot of people in society 'live in the moment' and? I am sure that to 'live in the moment' in some circles, is actually advice which is given to people.

When people 'live in the moment', their perceptions on reality are greatly effected by this 'And history seems to mean less to them, in regards to analysing the future'.

Living in the moment in my opinion, supports opportunist behaviour 'and as a bi-product can also make people appear very disloyal'.

And in the context of sport, and boxing 'This living in the moment way of life, creates Glory Hunters and a mass of people who all pine and gush over any fighter. Who is currently in the now, at this present time having any sort of successes'.

People who disrespect past great fighters, and elevate fighters who in terms of historical significance have not achieved much 'but are currently winning, they are just living in the moment. And wanting to be a part of whatever is hot right now'.

Note: Agit Kabayel has been a professional fighter for a longer period of time than Anthony Joshua 'And during the peak years of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. He was a complete non-factor at top level, and doing nothing much. His best win on his resume is still vs Derek Chisora, in a fight which could have went ether way'.

On a fight by fight basis, he has beaten no real elite to world level fighters 'Zero, because most of the genuine World to elite level fighters have already been smashed up and chased out of the sport by Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder in combination. Those three Heavyweight fighters during their heavyweight reigns, in combination cleared out the division. They are the three heavyweight mountains of this era'.

Not even did Oleksandr Uysk clear out the Heavyweight Division, because the three Heavyweight Mountains in Fury, Joshua and WIlder 'Already had complete reign over the divisions. All which was left to do, was to fight each other. And to his credit? Oleksandr Uysk at a very opportune time, beat Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua each twice back to back and inherited their exploits to a certain extent'.

Because I know Heavyweight History, and the significance of fighters performances 'I don't join in or become a part of this crowd of people all living in the moment pining and gushing over fighters winning a few fights all of sudden'.

I told everyone, that Daniel Dubois had his Any Given Saturday vs Anthony Joshua 'In referenced to NFL movie Any Given Sunday: 1999. I said that Daniel Dubois from that point on in his career, is ether going to win in spectacular fashion or lose in spectacular fashion and? That is exactly what has happened'.

And I know also think there is a very high likely, that the same can potentially happen to Fabio Wardley 'He is being smashed up and beaten down badly, win or lose in most of his top level fights. Even at domestic level vs Frazier Clarke I, a fighter like Wardley is able to have success at this current time in the era because? The competitive landscape and ability of the division has decreased'.

To conclude: So in my opinion, why do people disrespect past great boxers 'it is not just boxing, it happens in all sports. And many different fields, a lot of people live in the moment. They will convince themselves that modern day music, is better than the classics'.

Because that is what people do, they want to be a part of whatever is hot right now 'And that extends into boxing. That is why in my opinion, and from my perception people behave this way' etc.

[NihonJim]

Look in the mirror: your own threads are a constant stream of negativity. Ask yourself why you do that.

**** off

[daggum]

A lot of people in society 'live in the moment' and? I am sure that to 'live in the moment' in some circles, is actually advice which is given to people.

When people 'live in the moment', their perceptions on reality are greatly effected by this 'And history seems to mean less to them, in regards to analysing the future'.

Living in the moment in my opinion, supports opportunist behaviour 'and as a bi-product can also make people appear very disloyal'.

And in the context of sport, and boxing 'This living in the moment way of life, creates Glory Hunters and a mass of people who all pine and gush over any fighter. Who is currently in the now, at this present time having any sort of successes'.

People who disrespect past great fighters, and elevate fighters who in terms of historical significance have not achieved much 'but are currently winning, they are just living in the moment. And wanting to be a part of whatever is hot right now'.

Note: Agit Kabayel has been a professional fighter for a longer period of time than Anthony Joshua 'And during the peak years of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. He was a complete non-factor at top level, and doing nothing much. His best win on his resume is still vs Derek Chisora, in a fight which could have went ether way'.

On a fight by fight basis, he has beaten no real elite to world level fighters 'Zero, because most of the genuine World to elite level fighters have already been smashed up and chased out of the sport by Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder in combination. Those three Heavyweight fighters during their heavyweight reigns, in combination cleared out the division. They are the three heavyweight mountains of this era'.

Not even did Oleksandr Uysk clear out the Heavyweight Division, because the three Heavyweight Mountains in Fury, Joshua and WIlder 'Already had complete reign over the divisions. All which was left to do, was to fight each other. And to his credit? Oleksandr Uysk at a very opportune time, beat Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua each twice back to back and inherited their exploits to a certain extent'.

Because I know Heavyweight History, and the significance of fighters performances 'I don't join in or become a part of this crowd of people all living in the moment pining and gushing over fighters winning a few fights all of sudden'.

I told everyone, that Daniel Dubois had his Any Given Saturday vs Anthony Joshua 'In referenced to NFL movie Any Given Sunday: 1999. I said that Daniel Dubois from that point on in his career, is ether going to win in spectacular fashion or lose in spectacular fashion and? That is exactly what has happened'.

And I know also think there is a very high likely, that the same can potentially happen to Fabio Wardley 'He is being smashed up and beaten down badly, win or lose in most of his top level fights. Even at domestic level vs Frazier Clarke I, a fighter like Wardley is able to have success at this current time in the era because? The competitive landscape and ability of the division has decreased'.

To conclude: So in my opinion, why do people disrespect past great boxers 'it is not just boxing, it happens in all sports. And many different fields, a lot of people live in the moment. They will convince themselves that modern day music, is better than the classics'.

Because that is what people do, they want to be a part of whatever is hot right now 'And that extends into boxing. That is why in my opinion, and from my perception people behave this way' etc.

kabayel's resume is already better than wilders yet hes never beaten anyone and wilder is a heavyweight mountain who cleared out the division? who did wilder chase out of the sport? he got chased out of the sport when he upped his competition. not sure how you can call fighting bums for years and years a "reign" wilder was "winning" but against who? weak opposition

wilders only beaten 2 top 10(ring) guys his entire career. stiverne and ortiz. do you think these guys are great? they both beat 1 top 10 opponent their entire careers. guys like joyce, dubois, zhang etc...have beaten at least 2 or more so i dont see how this eras ability has decreased in any way. you talk about achievements but wilder lacks substantial achievements so it doesnt make sense to hype up wilder and criticize kabayel. transparently easy cream puff title defenses are not achievements. the guy kabayel just fought is probably better than some of wilders title fights. wilder took advantage of his status by taking easy fights. thats not a good thing...

kabayel's already beaten 2 top 10 guys with wins over zhang and sanchez and hes beaten chisora who is in the tbrb top 10. so thats 3 quality guys which is a greater achievement than wilder and i personally favor his resume. he just doesnt have a belt because usyk has them all, he couldnt get an easy one like wilder and he apparently cant get a big fight either, which wilder didnt want until he tried to cherry pick fury and got bludgeoned. i dont think kabayel turns down 100 million to fight the top guy. wilder started huffing his own farts which made him delirious with power and ego.

[The D3vil]

We live in a speculator's society now.

Everybody wants to be on the ground floor of something that becomes successful, so they can say they were on the bandwagon first.

It's the classic "buy low/sell high" strategy.

It prioritizes "potential gains" over a safe "known quantity"

[PRINCEKOOL]

kabayel's resume is already better than wilders yet hes never beaten anyone and wilder is a heavyweight mountain who cleared out the division? who did wilder chase out of the sport? he got chased out of the sport when he upped his competition. not sure how you can call fighting bums for years and years a "reign" wilder was "winning" but against who? weak opposition

wilders only beaten 2 top 10(ring) guys his entire career. stiverne and ortiz. do you think these guys are great? they both beat 1 top 10 opponent their entire careers. guys like joyce, dubois, zhang etc...have beaten at least 2 or more so i dont see how this eras ability has decreased in any way. you talk about achievements but wilder lacks substantial achievements so it doesnt make sense to hype up wilder and criticize kabayel. transparently easy cream puff title defenses are not achievements. the guy kabayel just fought is probably better than some of wilders title fights. wilder took advantage of his status by taking easy fights. thats not a good thing...

kabayel's already beaten 2 top 10 guys with wins over zhang and sanchez and hes beaten chisora who is in the tbrb top 10. so thats 3 quality guys which is a greater achievement than wilder and i personally favor his resume. he just doesnt have a belt because usyk has them all, he couldnt get an easy one like wilder and he apparently cant get a big fight either, which wilder didnt want until he tried to cherry pick fury and got bludgeoned. i dont think kabayel turns down 100 million to fight the top guy. wilder started huffing his own farts which made him delirious with power and ego.

Agit Kabayel has been a professional fighter, for a longer period of time than Anthony Joshua 'Where was he when Deontay Wilder was a Champion? Nowhere. And the last time Derek Chisora was a genuine World level fighter, was just prior to fighting David Haye and getting lasered out inside 5 rounds by Haye. Since then Chisora in reality has not been a world level fighter, but that is still technically Agit Kabayel's best win. And that fight could have went ether way'.

I think you need to stop pining and gushing over Agit Kayabel 'He could potentially be beaten in his next fight, and many people's opinion and perception of him within the boxing community would turn 180 degrees. But unlike Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder? Agit Kabayel does not have much of a legacy in sport, or this era of heavyweight boxing. And that is very important to have when certain fickle boxing fans, attempt to devalue a fighters resume and significance historically in the sport'.

Note: Deontay Wilder was the WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World, out of the three Heavyweight Mountains? Wilder's resume is the least best by quite a long way. But nevertheless? He was one of the premier heavyweight Champions of this era, a fighter that was a target for many contenders. Deonaty Wilder defended his heavyweight titles 10 times, and was involved in the greatest heavyweight rivalry and trilogy since Rid**** Bowe vs Evander Holyfield vs Tyson Fury'.

But I agree Deontay Wilder along with Tyson Fury both did tactically avoid fighting Anthony Joshua 'and they are still extremely apprehensively of Joshua currently right now. But out of those two fighters, I still think there is a higher likely-hood of Deontay Wilder fighting Anthony Joshua'.

To conclude: Overall I understand that Agit Kabayel is having a bit of success in the game, in the latter stages of this heavyweight era 'but in my personal opinion, this is because the standard of the divisions has decreased. Which has given fighters like Agit Kabyel an opportunity to achieve some solid wins, and elevate himself to a high ranking which he was unable to do at the peak of this era. Because he was a complete non-factor a top level for many years, due to not really being on the level of fighters such as Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder' etc.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Still nervous because Kabayel has bettter resune than Wardley?

[hugh grant]

I think unfortunately it’s a sign of the times. Casual fans are very invested in knocking a boxer down for some reason.

Has been ongoing with boxers like Roy and Floyd, certain posters always wanting to minimize their accomplishments and performances.

Lately you see this with Usyk and Inoue.

I am no GGG fan, but some poster got on him for “never moving up” as if making 160 for 15 years straight was some kind of negative.

You are the worst culprit. Anyone who beats pac you claim has a better win than any win on pacs resume. Jmm kos pac so is a better win than any pac win. Floyd's win over pac is better than any pac win. Bradley win over pac is better than any pac win?
I've literally never heard anyone say this about any other boxer in 200 years of boxing, that's how low you've got. Never have I heard anyone say turpin beating S rr is better than anything srr did. Or tarver beating rjj is better than anything on rjj resume?
But you had to open a silly can of worms didn't you?
So you dont try.minimize pacs accomplishments and knocking pac down? You sure about that?