Why do the fighters who achieve more get more disrespect?

[The Big Dunn]

You are the worst culprit. Anyone who beats pac you claim has a better win than any win on pacs resume. Jmm kos pac so is a better win than any pac win. Floyd's win over pac is better than any pac win. Bradley win over pac is better than any pac win?
I've literally never heard anyone say this about any other boxer in 200 years of boxing, that's how low you've got. Never have I heard anyone say turpin beating S rr is better than anything srr did. Or tarver beating rjj is better than anything on rjj resume?
But you had to open a silly can of worms didn't you?
So you dont try.minimize pacs accomplishments and knocking pac down? You sure about that?

PAC is an ATG p4p boxer according to you who is better than all those he fought.

Only when I say a win over Manny is better than any win Manny had do you suddenly want Manny to be lesser than all them.

That is ball smoking at a desperate level that you should be ashamed of.

Don’t lie. I never said that about Bradley because that was a robbery as part of the fake trilogy Bob gave him.

You haven’t had those discussions with anyone that is why you haven’t heard it. You don’t care about the sport outside of washing Manny’s sack with your tongue.

I am not minimizing anything pac has done. I am treating him like a p4 p ATG.

[daggum]

Agit Kabayel has been a professional fighter, for a longer period of time than Anthony Joshua 'Where was he when Deontay Wilder was a Champion? Nowhere. And the last time Derek Chisora was a genuine World level fighter, was just prior to fighting David Haye and getting lasered out inside 5 rounds by Haye. Since then Chisora in reality has not been a world level fighter, but that is still technically Agit Kabayel's best win. And that fight could have went ether way'.

I think you need to stop pining and gushing over Agit Kayabel 'He could potentially be beaten in his next fight, and many people's opinion and perception of him within the boxing community would turn 180 degrees. But unlike Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder? Agit Kabayel does not have much of a legacy in sport, or this era of heavyweight boxing. And that is very important to have when certain fickle boxing fans, attempt to devalue a fighters resume and significance historically in the sport'.

Note: Deontay Wilder was the WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World, out of the three Heavyweight Mountains? Wilder's resume is the least best by quite a long way. But nevertheless? He was one of the premier heavyweight Champions of this era, a fighter that was a target for many contenders. Deonaty Wilder defended his heavyweight titles 10 times, and was involved in the greatest heavyweight rivalry and trilogy since Rid**** Bowe vs Evander Holyfield vs Tyson Fury'.

But I agree Deontay Wilder along with Tyson Fury both did tactically avoid fighting Anthony Joshua 'and they are still extremely apprehensively of Joshua currently right now. But out of those two fighters, I still think there is a higher likely-hood of Deontay Wilder fighting Anthony Joshua'.

To conclude: Overall I understand that Agit Kabayel is having a bit of success in the game, in the latter stages of this heavyweight era 'but in my personal opinion, this is because the standard of the divisions has decreased. Which has given fighters like Agit Kabyel an opportunity to achieve some solid wins, and elevate himself to a high ranking which he was unable to do at the peak of this era. Because he was a complete non-factor a top level for many years, due to not really being on the level of fighters such as Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder' etc.

im not doing that at all. look at what you just wrote to defend wilder. that is pining and gushing. comparing and contrasting is not gushing.

having a belt is not a sign that you are fighting quality opposition. its a marketing ploy if used correctly.

yes he defended it 10 times...against who? pbc bums and 1 good fighter named ortiz. thats a pathetic run. i see something like that and see it as a bad thing. wow 10 defenses and he only beat 1 top 10 ranked opponent. you see 10 defenses and think wow thats good without caring about who he fought.

this doesnt make sense because wilder was ranked as high or higher than kabayel with a crappier resume so how can the standard be decreasing? its actually increasing because wilder was a road block and now that the wilder road block has been removed you are seeing better fighters rise to the top based on quality wins, not cherry picked easy fights and for simply continuing to rack up title defenses

[hugh grant]

PAC is an ATG p4p boxer according to you who is better than all those he fought.

Only when I say a win over Manny is better than any win Manny had do you suddenly want Manny to be lesser than all them.

That is ball smoking at a desperate level that you should be ashamed of.

Don’t lie. I never said that about Bradley because that was a robbery as part of the fake trilogy Bob gave him.

You haven’t had those discussions with anyone that is why you haven’t heard it. You don’t care about the sport outside of washing Manny’s sack with your tongue.

I am not minimizing anything pac has done. I am treating him like a p4 p ATG.

You talk such gobbledygo*k, I doubt even you know what your saying.
You opened a silly can of worms in your desperation to elevate floyd above pac this era.
Is max schmelling win over Joe Louis better than anything joe Louis did? Is buster Douglas win over Tyson better than anything Tyson did? Is calzaghe win over hopkins better than anything hopkins did?
getting into discussion with you is absurd and a road to nowhere, why do you.need to lead people down these avenues?

[ELPacman]

Is it much different than life? You know a friend or family member and they're successful, so you find something to talk smack about? Lol. Granted that just might be big in my own family. I know some folks like to congratulate and feel good for people they know going on to bigger and better things, but it's not always the case.

[lefthook2daliva]

Because Fury was not that good. His claim to fame is that he beat Deontay Wilder thrice. Wilder ffs. Fury was a crappy champion in a crappy era as was Wlad before him. It's pretty much crap since Lewis retired.

[TheProudLunatic]

Some "achievements" are prefabricated bullshlt and needs to be called on it.

Being the king in a deader than dead div is not an achievement.

Steamrilling through divs is not an achievement unless those names are worth mentioning.

Of course, a person can only fight who is out there. Hence the worst HW era the sport has ever seen. Usyk would be a problem in any HW era but he wouldn't be as successful as he is now.

If a MFer can move up and seek better challenges and he don't
OR
He seeks out the worst opps in the bigger div, well..........

[The Big Dunn]

You talk such gobbledygo*k, I doubt even you know what your saying.
You opened a silly can of worms in your desperation to elevate floyd above pac this era.
Is max schmelling win over Joe Louis better than anything joe Louis did? Is buster Douglas win over Tyson better than anything Tyson did? Is calzaghe win over hopkins better than anything hopkins did?
getting into discussion with you is absurd and a road to nowhere, why do you.need to lead people down these avenues?

I didn’t elevate him. There have been multiple polls posted regarding the best boxer since 2000 and Floyd is ranked #1 in all of them.

That isn’t the same situation as you well know. Louis was older than Schmeling. Floyd is older than Manny.

Louis was at the end of his career and desperately needed the money. Manny wasn’t and likely didn’t need the money.

Yes. Buster beat prime Mike Tyson. Go back and look at Tyson’s wins before that.

No. Hopkins beat ODH and Trinidad, both ATGs who is better than Calzaghe. Who did Manny beat that is ranked higher than himself?

You mean you don’t have the requisite knowledge of the sport to refute anything I said about Manny.

I simply know more about boxing than you do.

[hugh grant]

I didn’t elevate him. There have been multiple polls posted regarding the best boxer since 2000 and Floyd is ranked #1 in all of them.

That isn’t the same situation as you well know. Louis was older than Schmeling. Floyd is older than Manny.

Louis was at the end of his career and desperately needed the money. Manny wasn’t and likely didn’t need the money.

Yes. Buster beat prime Mike Tyson. Go back and look at Tyson’s wins before that.

No. Hopkins beat ODH and Trinidad, both ATGs who is better than Calzaghe. Who did Manny beat that is ranked higher than himself?

You mean you don’t have the requisite knowledge of the sport to refute anything I said about Manny.

I simply know more about boxing than you do.

FLoyd beat a former Flyweight in 10 divisions above Pacs original weight class with nearly 70 fights under Pacs belt. Thats not as good a win as Pacs win over thurman, a young undefeated lion with all the physical advantages. What risk is floyd taking with a fight with 5ft5 inch pac with tyranosauras rex arms? You have the audacity to try elevate Floyds win over Pac with so many controversies? Why with Pacs wins theres no controversies but controversies follow floyd around?

As i said you are the worst culprit, trying to diminish what Pacs did. You can have CWs like floyd, home advantage like Floyd, choose gloves. but thats ok as long as you can beat Pac and claim you got a better win than Pac ever did, in beating Pac?

No wonder Floyd can never be seen as best of era. Even the people who do have floyd as the best will in future change their minds with credible historians like max kellerman and bert sugar putting them in their place.

[The Big Dunn]

FLoyd beat a former Flyweight in 10 divisions above Pacs original weight class with nearly 70 fights under Pacs belt. Thats not as good a win as Pacs win over thurman, a young undefeated lion with all the physical advantages. What risk is floyd taking with a fight with 5ft5 inch pac with tyranosauras rex arms? You have the audacity to try elevate Floyds win over Pac with so many controversies? Why with Pacs wins theres no controversies but controversies follow floyd around?

As i said you are the worst culprit, trying to diminish what Pacs did. You can have CWs like floyd, home advantage like Floyd, choose gloves. but thats ok as long as you can beat Pac and claim you got a better win than Pac ever did, in beating Pac?

No wonder Floyd can never be seen as best of era. Even the people who do have floyd as the best will in future change their minds with credible historians like max kellerman and bert sugar putting them in their place.

Dude just stop. You make yourself look really dumb.

That would make Floyd’s win over prime Corrales better than his win over Manny and Manny’s win over Thurman.

There are plenty of controversies over Manny’s wins. The Cotto cw for instance. You just ignore them because you are a ball gurgler.

PAC had more CWs than Floyd. Manny couldn’t choose gloves like Floyd or ODH because he wasn’t the cash cow.

Bert Sugar is dead. Max opinion clearly hasn’t been shared by the majority given Floyd is #1 in the polls in the threads posted and that a fellow expert at SI wrote a column that I posted disagreeing with Max.

Sorry buddy. It’s never going to change.

Huh? Floyd was voted best of the era in this poll. You must have reading comprehension issues.

[djtmal]

There are plenty of controversies over Manny’s wins. The Cotto cw for instance. .

Floyd pulled poor lw Marquez up two divisions and welched on the catchweight agreement