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  • Malvado
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    #31
    Originally posted by SouthpawRight
    ko punching power was a big part of Junto's success

    I'm not sure his power carried up to 122 let alone 126

    problem was he lacked the power, spoiling tactics, and footwork to deter Hernandez

    Hernandez was literally walking through Junto's punches even when his head was snapped

    Junto can't make 118 and should stay at 122 for as long as he can
    Think Junto will acclimate his attributes at Super Bantamweight eventually by the end next year or after, but at featherweight he be fighting some tough customers that can negate his reach and can assimilate power quite well. He has a long frame, but doesn't mean he physically belongs up there.

    Want to see Nakatani against Cardenas or Nery eventually. Because Nakatani vs Inoue might not be this mega fight as made out to be.
    Last edited by Malvado; 12-27-2025, 02:50 PM.

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    • RockyKO
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      #32
      The problem with scoring this fight is Hernandez threw a lot of punches but most didn't land. In fact, he only landed about 30% of his punches and Junto out landed him 297-273. So it was very close and that made it difficult to score. I scored it 115-113 for Hernandez and that was the score that the fans had it on this boxing score card app that I use. However, Hernandez took way too long to get going. He didn't step on the gas pedal until the second part of the fight and basically gave away rounds. You can't do that, maybe take 1 or 2 rounds to try to figure out your opponent and download the data. I don't remember Nakatani doing that much in the first half of the fight but Hernandez was barely fighting. I'll have to watch it again because this fight was too ambiguous for me. Neither of these guys really showed that they were head and shoulders above the other guy so you can't be mad at the score card. It was just a fight of two halfs and we all know that means the winner is basically a coin toss. Again, I liked Hernandez body work and walking through Junto's punches but Nakatani was landing jabs basically the entire fight and those are easy to score.

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        #33
        Originally posted by RockyKO
        The problem with scoring this fight is Hernandez threw a lot of punches but most didn't land. In fact, he only landed about 30% of his punches and Junto out landed him 297-273. So it was very close and that made it difficult to score. I scored it 115-113 for Hernandez and that was the score that the fans had it on this boxing score card app that I use. However, Hernandez took way too long to get going. He didn't step on the gas pedal until the second part of the fight and basically gave away rounds. You can't do that, maybe take 1 or 2 rounds to try to figure out your opponent and download the data. I don't remember Nakatani doing that much in the first half of the fight but Hernandez was barely fighting. I'll have to watch it again because this fight was too ambiguous for me. Neither of these guys really showed that they were head and shoulders above the other guy so you can't be mad at the score card. It was just a fight of two halfs and we all know that means the winner is basically a coin toss. Again, I liked Hernandez body work and walking through Junto's punches but Nakatani was landing jabs basically the entire fight and those are easy to score.
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        • Mexican_Puppet
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          #34
          Originally posted by Malvado

          Thoughts on Nakatani saying he wants the title fight with Espinoza at featherweight?

          Espinoza Isn't the sturdy inside fighter like Hernandez, but he is quite precise and longer. I think he be quite complicated. Was in a similar spot against Khegai compared to Nakatani vs Hernandez.

          Plus he can match angles with output like shown in his recent bout with Edward Vazquez and Robeisy Ramirez he can use angles and a similiar output to Sebastian.
          Good fight.

          Hernández has a great chin and a lot of heart, and his style is nightmare for Junto.

          I don't know, style makes fights.

          I think we need to SEE more of Junto in 122 or 126.

          I think Nakatani can K.O Inoue because Inoue is very very vulnerable to left hooks.

          Espinoza is a very good fighter, but sometimes he get shots in the large distance, where Junto fights more comfortable.

          By the other side, Espinoza is a very heavy puncher, with a crazy range for the division and can crack Juntos body, and fights in angles.

          I think is an interesting fight, Espinoza fighting in the large and cracking Juntos body. And Juntos waiting to land Big in espinosas head.

          I think Espinoza can K.O Junto with a massive body shot.

          Espinoza is one of the Best body punchers in boxing right now. And has crazy stamina...

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            #35
            Originally posted by Mexican_Puppet

            Good fight.

            Hernández has a great chin and a lot of heart, and his style is nightmare for Junto.

            I don't know, style makes fights.

            I think we need to SEE more of Junto in 122 or 126.

            I think Nakatani can K.O Inoue because Inoue is very very vulnerable to left hooks.

            Espinoza is a very good fighter, but sometimes he get shots in the large distance, where Junto fights more comfortable.

            By the other side, Espinoza is a very heavy puncher, with a crazy range for the division and can crack Juntos body, and fights in angles.

            I think is an interesting fight, Espinoza fighting in the large and cracking Juntos body. And Juntos waiting to land Big in espinosas head.

            I think Espinoza can K.O Junto with a massive body shot.

            Espinoza is one of the Best body punchers in boxing right now. And has crazy stamina...
            Would be quite an exciting fight. Think Espinoza should be the favorite even if Nakatani has the opportunity to pull it off. Just to note 3 out of 4 opponents of Espinoza's opponents have the same reach as Nakatani in Sanchez, Vazquez, and Ramirez. Not the same fighters stylistically, but it kind shows the experience Rafael has with fighters with those dimensions. Plus, even if his defense is leaky, it is kind of tough to catch him clean like Ramirez did when he sees it coming as he braces for himself, blocks or punishes his opponent with counters if they do too often.





            Last edited by Malvado; 12-27-2025, 05:03 PM.

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              #36
              Originally posted by The Big Dunn

              Happy Holidays homie.

              Yo we had a snowstorm here in NJ so I was digging out and missed the fight.

              Did Nakatani look bad or did the Mexican dude look great?

              You think he has any chance against Inoue?
              Nakatani showed poor ability to make make adjustments in the 2nd half. Inoue isn't anything like Hernandez and maybe a small step outside his prime so I don't completely write Junto off.

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                #37
                Originally posted by RockyKO
                The problem with scoring this fight is Hernandez threw a lot of punches but most didn't land. In fact, he only landed about 30% of his punches and Junto out landed him 297-273. So it was very close and that made it difficult to score. I scored it 115-113 for Hernandez and that was the score that the fans had it on this boxing score card app that I use. However, Hernandez took way too long to get going. He didn't step on the gas pedal until the second part of the fight and basically gave away rounds. You can't do that, maybe take 1 or 2 rounds to try to figure out your opponent and download the data. I don't remember Nakatani doing that much in the first half of the fight but Hernandez was barely fighting. I'll have to watch it again because this fight was too ambiguous for me. Neither of these guys really showed that they were head and shoulders above the other guy so you can't be mad at the score card. It was just a fight of two halfs and we all know that means the winner is basically a coin toss. Again, I liked Hernandez body work and walking through Junto's punches but Nakatani was landing jabs basically the entire fight and those are easy to score.
                Most didn't land? Plenty landed look at his face. Also if anyone is trying to refer to compubox that's just everyone basing their opinions on 1 guy clicking a button when he thinks a punch. Those who love using it claiming look at who landed more rounds, tell them Canelo won Bud then

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                • dan_cov
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                  #38
                  118-110 is a terrible scorecard

                  Hernandez made that into his kind of fight and worked Junto in the second half. He reminds me a lot of Orlando Salido, very reminiscent.
                  Every time they bring in a Mexican as a stepping stone they find themselves in the fight of their lives and often needing bs hometown decisions.

                  I really do feel for these Mexican fighters, anytime it goes to the scorecards you know damn well they aren't getting the nod. Sure it was a close fight but it never goes the way of the Mexican fighter, ever. Whether its in Japan, England or US they are on the wrong side of these decisions time and time again.
                  118-110? Get this clown out of the sport.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by dan_cov
                    118-110 is a terrible scorecard


                    I really do feel for these Mexican fighters, anytime it goes to the scorecards you know damn well they aren't getting the nod. Sure it was a close fight but it never goes the way of the Mexican fighter, ever. Whether its in Japan, England or US they are on the wrong side of these decisions time and time again.
                    118-110? Get this clown out of the sport.
                    Really?

                    U must have forgot the warrington v luis alberto lopez which took place in leeds warringtons hometown in 2022 & with warrigton being the current ibf champ

                    Lopez got the win that night in an extremely close fight in fact many said it was warrington who was robbed that night, i remember thinking i dont think i can remember a fight like that where the challenger came away with the belt in the belt holders back yard no less in a fight like that

                    actually if that fight was in mexico or the US the belt holder would not have lost that fight i highly doubt

                    plus recently pitbull if i remember got his draw v roche
                    Last edited by Smash; 12-27-2025, 07:01 PM.

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                    • SouthpawRight
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Malvado
                      Originally posted by Mexican_Puppet
                      Exactly.

                      Rudy Hernández trainer of Junto was very mad in the corner.

                      Junto tried to stay in the large in the start of each rounds but he failed and most of the rounds and fight was fighting in the short.

                      It was a war.

                      Hernández is 25 years old.

                      His style is a mix of Leo Santa Cruz and Pitbull Cruz.
                      Think Junto will acclimate his attributes at Super Bantamweight eventually by the end next year or after, but at featherweight he be fighting some tough customers that can negate his reach and can assimilate power quite well. He has a long frame, but doesn't mean he physically belongs up there.

                      Want to see Nakatani against Cardenas or Nery eventually. Because Nakatani vs Inoue might not be this mega fight as made out to be.
                      yes Junto is a range fighter and does his best work from a distance

                      he started living in the US on and off at 15 for boxing training

                      loves inside fighting from growing up around Mexicans

                      Japanese are as aggressive as Mexicans if not more so. BUT they do not have the durability of Mexicans
                      Originally posted by RockyKO
                      The problem with scoring this fight is Hernandez threw a lot of punches but most didn't land. In fact, he only landed about 30% of his punches and Junto out landed him 297-273. So it was very close and that made it difficult to score. I scored it 115-113 for Hernandez and that was the score that the fans had it on this boxing score card app that I use. However, Hernandez took way too long to get going. He didn't step on the gas pedal until the second part of the fight and basically gave away rounds. You can't do that, maybe take 1 or 2 rounds to try to figure out your opponent and download the data. I don't remember Nakatani doing that much in the first half of the fight but Hernandez was barely fighting. I'll have to watch it again because this fight was too ambiguous for me. Neither of these guys really showed that they were head and shoulders above the other guy so you can't be mad at the score card. It was just a fight of two halfs and we all know that means the winner is basically a coin toss. Again, I liked Hernandez body work and walking through Junto's punches but Nakatani was landing jabs basically the entire fight and those are easy to score.
                      depends the second half leaves a lasting impression on viewers due to recency bias

                      fans especially casuals see the stronger finisher as the ‘winner’

                      Originally posted by dan_cov
                      118-110 is a terrible scorecard

                      Hernandez made that into his kind of fight and worked Junto in the second half. He reminds me a lot of Orlando Salido, very reminiscent.
                      Every time they bring in a Mexican as a stepping stone they find themselves in the fight of their lives and often needing bs hometown decisions.

                      I really do feel for these Mexican fighters, anytime it goes to the scorecards you know damn well they aren't getting the nod. Sure it was a close fight but it never goes the way of the Mexican fighter, ever. Whether its in Japan, England or US they are on the wrong side of these decisions time and time again.
                      118-110? Get this clown out of the sport.
                      Saul getting favorable judging makes up for all the times Mexicans get jobbed

                      Saul white passing is a superpower​​​​​​

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