Which version of Tyson Fury was the best?

[Nash out]

The version that earned the opportunity to fight Wlad and then beat him. That version of Fury could have had a decent reign (if we ignore the fact that he was about to be banned for drug use that went back to at least before the Hammer fight). But I don't think his personality alone would have made him a big star. The boxing style was effective but boring. People forget that he was a tough watch because most only really started watching him from Wilder 1 onwards.

Personally I think everything from that date was a diminished Fury. After what he did to himself how can anyone believe he got better? Wilder 2 goes down as a great win in the context of the division, but I'm still not convinced it proves Fury regained his level. For that to be true, Wilder would have to have proven his own level.

His performance against Usyk is massively overstated. He had 2 good rounds out of 24. He'll always be big and awkward so he'll never be run straight through.

The Gypsy King. As far as the drug use we can only take what is factual, and that is he tested positive for the Hammer fight only. He passed every test for Wlad. I agree the Fury vs Wlad is the hardest version to beat and he had to adapt his style far earlier than he should have been due to his lifestyle. His stamina, agility, speed, all started massively declining way earlier than it should, but he adapted to a slugger/boxer well considering he is not a massive puncher.

I think he deserves credit for his tactical brain that worked out how to fight Wilder 2, who at the time, was a very dangerous man. I'd say the second Usyk fight was very scrappy and a hard watch, but the first, his performance is underrated by some. The first 3 Rounds could all be scored either way, but Fury absolutely dominated Rounds 4/5/6/7, but from early Round 8 I noticed he was slowing down, as I said, his stamina is not what it was, and that's the Round the fight changed, not Round 9 when he got the standing count, Round 8 with that shot to the nose. Usyk took R8, 9 (10-8) and 10, but Fury came fighting back and R11 and R12 were swing rounds. Usyk would not have complained that night had Fury won a close decision.

Usyk wasn't really at it for first 7 Rounds and I had Fury massively up, as did many others when reading through the live comments, then after the event people wanted to rewrite history and give Usyk every swing round. That fight could have been scored either way. I'd pick Fury from the Wlad fight to beat Usyk handily on points.

I loved Fury's humour from the 2 Fast era, up to and including the Wlad fight (Gypsy King era). "This Klit is about to get licked", the whole Batman and Robin thing, his early career obsession with David Price, it was all funny stuff. Then initially on his comeback and redemption arc also, he was loved more than ever, then, from Wilder 2, Dosser Fury was born, and whilst it worked for that one fight, he turned into a humourless, broken record. Other great Fury moments include the press conferences for the fight that ever happend with David Haye. Most Boxers are boring, so it was refreshing to have someone like Fury, as it was for having Prince Naseem Hamed back in the day, or Chris Eubank Sr, or Ricky Hatton (RIP). Ali back in his day.

Mayweather built himself into a villain brilliantly, but his actual verbal content, it didn't have the wit of the aforementioned. Hatton took him to school pre fight, for example, though Mayweather did the same in the ring. Mike Tyson, is another who I'd say has a limited personality, but the hype that surrounded him, his aura and style, and brilliant matchmaking had everyone thinking we were watching the best thing since prime Rocky Balboa, "Yo, Adrian."

Nash out - His Majesty

[Toffee]

The Gypsy King. As far as the drug use we can only take what is factual, and that is he tested positive for the Hammer fight only. He passed every test for Wlad. I agree the Fury vs Wlad is the hardest version to beat and he had to adapt his style far earlier than he should have been due to his lifestyle. His stamina, agility, speed, all started massively declining way earlier than it should, but he adapted to a slugger/boxer well considering he is not a massive puncher.

I think he deserves credit for his tactical brain that worked out how to fight Wilder 2, who at the time, was a very dangerous man. I'd say the second Usyk fight was very scrappy and a hard watch, but the first, his performance is underrated by some. The first 3 Rounds could all be scored either way, but Fury absolutely dominated Rounds 4/5/6/7, but from early Round 8 I noticed he was slowing down, as I said, his stamina is not what it was, and that's the Round the fight changed, not Round 9 when he got the standing count, Round 8 with that shot to the nose. Usyk took R8, 9 (10-8) and 10, but Fury came fighting back and R11 and R12 were swing rounds. Usyk would not have complained that night had Fury won a close decision.

Usyk wasn't really at it for first 7 Rounds and I had Fury massively up, as did many others when reading through the live comments, then after the event people wanted to rewrite history and give Usyk every swing round. That fight could have been scored either way. I'd pick Fury from the Wlad fight to beat Usyk handily on points.

I loved Fury's humour from the 2 Fast era, up to and including the Wlad fight (Gypsy King era). "This Klit is about to get licked", the whole Batman and Robin thing, his early career obsession with David Price, it was all funny stuff. Then initially on his comeback and redemption arc also, he was loved more than ever, then, from Wilder 2, Dosser Fury was born, and whilst it worked for that one fight, he turned into a humourless, broken record. Other great Fury moments include the press conferences for the fight that ever happend with David Haye. Most Boxers are boring, so it was refreshing to have someone like Fury, as it was for having Prince Naseem Hamed back in the day, or Chris Eubank Sr, or Ricky Hatton (RIP). Ali back in his day.

Mayweather built himself into a villain brilliantly, but his actual verbal content, it didn't have the wit of the aforementioned. Hatton took him to school pre fight, for example, though Mayweather did the same in the ring. Mike Tyson, is another who I'd say has a limited personality, but the hype that surrounded him, his aura and style, and brilliant matchmaking had everyone thinking we were watching the best thing since prime Rocky Balboa, "Yo, Adrian."

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Agree with almost of all of that. Except I thought the first 2 rounds were very clear Usyk rounds. People struggled to accept that he was at least as damaging to Fury as the shots he received in return. 11 and 12 were better from Fury but really only in relation to where he'd been in round 9.

I still think the Fury villain schtick would have got old quickly when he was pretty uninteresting to watch in the ring.

The evolution of his style made him far more interesting to watch but I'm not sure he was a better fighter for it. Even the first Wilder fight was a big surprise. I was confident even a 50% Fury would just outbox Wilder to a dull points decision. And then of course he went on his Kronk journey and became more interesting.

Back to the drug use... The fact you quote is dead right. He was about to be banned but if there was any decent process he would never have even got to the Klitschko fight. I still don't understand how the Hammer fight still appears on his record.

[Spray_resistant]

I liked Dosser Fury, just eating pies gaining weight and using that weight to push bean pole Wilder around.

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Agree with almost of all of that. Except I thought the first 2 rounds were very clear Usyk rounds. People struggled to accept that he was at least as damaging to Fury as the shots he received in return. 11 and 12 were better from Fury but really only in relation to where he'd been in round 9.

I still think the Fury villain schtick would have got old quickly when he was pretty uninteresting to watch in the ring.

The evolution of his style made him far more interesting to watch but I'm not sure he was a better fighter for it. Even the first Wilder fight was a big surprise. I was confident even a 50% Fury would just outbox Wilder to a dull points decision. And then of course he went on his Kronk journey and became more interesting.

I thought Usyk vs Fury 1 was a great fight, the second, not so much. Fury made Usyk work, but was in no condition to do any damage or last properly for 12 Rounds. Second half of the fight he was on empty, though he competed till the end, the fight didn't live up to the first and I think Fury got it wrong in terms of weight and style, and it was evident he entered the ring with zero plan B.

It's hard to say, I mean if he kept entertaining outside of the ring but winning inside, then he could have kept going. Even Mayweather, as good as he was, was not entertaining at all to the casuals, yet many casuals tuned in to see him, whether to win or lose.

Yes, I agree, his style evolution was interesting, and perhaps a credit to his skills that he was still very good fighting in a completely different way, and in a way that to some extents negated his reach, outside fighting, and jab, and he showed very good inside work, that despite not being a massive puncher (he still has power obviously), he could still get quality operators out of there. Wilder at the time, Chisora at the time, Whyte at the time, all good stoppage wins.

He's had a great career still, and who knows, could be another part to his journey left. Doubt it will happen, but I'd be highly intrigued by Fury vs Moses Itauma. The unknown that would surround that fight would be box Office. Nash out - His Majesty

[Nash out]

I liked Dosser Fury, just eating pies gaining weight and using that weight to push bean pole Wilder around.

Dosser Fury was/is a true warrior, but Nash feels like it's time for the 4th version of Fury now. Dosser is played, we need Fury 4.0. Nash out - His Majesty

[STREET CLEANER]

The retired one especially when you don't hear from him.

[Smash]

fury hunted down klit & wilder but he was hunted down himself by usyk, all his middle weight dosser came back to bite him on his big ass in the end, to be fair he did put up a good fight in fight 1 if i remember & im sure the wilder smacks to the head affected him as well so all in all not bad but turned into a bit of a diva with usyk i think, greedybelly was born

[Nash out]

The retired one especially when you don't hear from him.

Tyson Fury's retirement surprised us all, but Nash believes Fury will stun us with an unretirement. Nash out - His Majesty

[Nash out]

fury hunted down klit & wilder but he was hunted down himself by usyk, all his middle weight dosser came back to bite him on his big ass in the end, to be fair he did put up a good fight in fight 1 if i remember & im sure the wilder smacks to the head affected him as well so all in all not bad but turned into a bit of a diva with usyk i think, greedybelly was born

It could be debated that after Fury 1.0 (2 Fast) 2.0 (Gypsy King) and 3.0 (Dosser) that 4.0 is (Greedy Belly). Nash out - His Majesty

[FlatLine]

Probably the juiced version of Fury was best around the Wladimir Klitschko win. He popped dirty for steroids only a few months before he fought Wladimir. Should have been auto-banned but somehow was allowed to go straight into a world title fight, months after failing a drug test for steroids. And then again got popped leading up to the rematch, for coke that time. That's why he pretended to retire with the whole "mental health" excuse so he avoided getting stripped of all his titles by manipulating the system.

Fury Juiced.0 takes the career crown.