Canelo is not an all time great fighter

[garfios]

And? "Hanging with the best" doesn't equate to someone's prime.

He wasn't in his prime in 1983 or anywhere even close.







Not an overly big fan of Canelo, firstly.

Secondly, anyone who gained P4P #1 status for 4 years in a row and Top 10 P4P status for 12 years and counting is an ATG, especially when that fighter is a 4 weight world champion, 2 Lineal and one undisputed. If not, name me any other fighter in history who has achievements even close to that that's not an ATG.

You asked who Canelo beat to attain the P4P #1 ranking, I gave you the list and you just ignored it

Canelo's an ATG, he'll be remembered as not only an ATG but one of the elite fighters of his era, that's just a fact.

No, you're a big fan Canelo, and all those merits you're mentioning, why don’t you ask the real question, against who? And how many gifts did he got? By you avoiding the facts that make a boxer great, you confirming your bias toward ginger.

[IronDanHamza]

Duran was 32yo, he has beating up Cuevas and Moore, and went 15 competitive round with Hagler, he was not washed up like you're trying to put it, and years later he won against a bigger guy that has knocked out Hearns. I have to give credit to Hearns.

Ok fantastic, but he wasn't in his prime nor close it. Nobody said he was washed up. It isn't one or the other.

Claiming he was in his prime in 1983 is straight up dumb and just frankly incorrect. He was a big underdog vs Davey Moore, why do you think that was? Because he was deemed quite a bit passed his best.

He was 3-3 in his last 6 with one of those loss's being to Kirkland Laing. Are you of the opinion that Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran in his prime? If you are you'd probably be the first to think that.

Much less 8 weight classes from his starting weight class.

Not in his prime, that's just a fact.

[IronDanHamza]

No, you're a big fan Canelo

No I'm not.

and all those merits you're mentioning, why don’t you ask the real question, against who? And how many gifts did he got? By you avoiding the facts that make a boxer great, you confirming your bias toward ginger.

I already answered that question. Who had a better resume in 2019 and should have been ranked #1 P4P instead of Canelo?

And I'll ask again, who has accomplishments anywhere near that and isn't an ATG? I'll give you a clue, nobody.

[garfios]

Ok fantastic, but he wasn't in his prime nor close it. Nobody said he was washed up. It isn't one or the other.

Claiming he was in his prime in 1983 is straight up dumb and just frankly incorrect. He was a big underdog vs Davey Moore, why do you think that was? Because he was deemed quite a bit passed his best.

He was 3-3 in his last 6 with one of those loss's being to Kirkland Laing. Are you of the opinion that Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran in his prime? If you are you'd probably be the first to think that.

Much less 8 weight classes from his starting weight class.

Not in his prime, that's just a fact.

He was an underdog that beat the crap outca younger fighter, he might hasn't been in his prime prime, but he was closer to it than completely washed up.

[IronDanHamza]

He was an underdog that beat the crap outca younger fighter, he might hasn't been in his prime prime, but he was closer to it than completely washed up.

Right, so, not in his prime.

Thanks for clarifying.

[dan_cov]

He's definitely not on the Mount Rushmore of boxing but he's still an ATG.

He has his limitations, he has had some gift decisions but with his accomplishments and resume even with taking the gift decisions into account he's still an ATG.

Where is the cut off point in terms of being an ATG? To me its the top/best 100 fighters. Do I think he makes that? sure.
Easily in the top 100 most accomplished and among the top 100 resumes

[garfios]

Ok fantastic, but he wasn't in his prime nor close it. Nobody said he was washed up. It isn't one or the other.

Claiming he was in his prime in 1983 is straight up dumb and just frankly incorrect. He was a big underdog vs Davey Moore, why do you think that was? Because he was deemed quite a bit passed his best.

He was 3-3 in his last 6 with one of those loss's being to Kirkland Laing. Are you of the opinion that Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran in his prime? If you are you'd probably be the first to think that.

Much less 8 weight classes from his starting weight class.

Not in his prime, that's just a fact.

He was an underdog that beat the crap out a younger fighter, he might hasn't been in his prime prime, but he was closer to it than completely washed up.

[garfios]

No I'm not.



I already answered that question. Who had a better resume in 2019 and should have been ranked #1 P4P instead of Canelo?

And I'll ask again, who has accomplishments anywhere near that and isn't an ATG? I'll give you a clue, nobody.

You're comparing him with a weak era of fighters that most of the time avoids real threat, that's why you have to compare him to the greats you want him to join. He is just as weak as his competition.

[IronDanHamza]

You're comparing him with a weak era of fighters that most of the time avoids real threat, that's why you have to compare him to the greats you want him to join. He is just as weak as his competition.

That's not an argument, I'm afraid.

No one who was P4P #1 for 4 years straight and Top 10 for 12 years and counting is not an ATG.

If there is, name one.

[IronDanHamza]

He was an underdog that beat the crap out a younger fighter, he might hasn't been in his prime prime, but he was closer to it than completely washed up.

......Right, so, not in his prime. So don't say that he was in his prime when you've just admitted he wasn't.

Thanks for clarifying.