Terence Crawford vs Oscar De La Hoya.

[ELPacman]

TBud face washed Saul. Manny fought Oscar at 147, the weight Oscar challenge Manny at. It's not Manny's fault Oscar was washed up, same with Saul. TBud beat a non motivated damaged good Canelo. And this supposed to be TBud's best win buahahah!! Weak resume to say the least.

I think people were just excited to see Canelo lose again since he hadn't since Bivol. It made Crawford's win that more emphatic. Though I don't want to take to take away from the fact that Crawford basically went up 2 weight divisions to face Canelo. It was a good win.

Manny's win vs Oscar was also good because Manny was training for a bigger and strong Oscar who called him out. The fact that Oscar's training went to hell eating deer meat or something wild isn't Manny's fault. Manny had just competed once at 135lbs and was being called out by Oscar to face him at 147lbs. Sure, Manny looked real good at 135lbs for his one fight demolition of David Diaz, but he had just arrived there. So you can almost imagine he went up 3 divisions to face Oscar. Though then people are pissed because Oscar looked bad, lol.

[SouthpawRight]

Bud just passes the eye test for me. He' too balanced, coordinated, fast and his punches flow through him. I think Oscar would break through his defenses and rough him up against the ropes. It's 12 rounds and Bud would eventually find his footing then win a close SD.

so Oscar faces a hittable Floyd that has the power to hurt him

TBud face washed Saul. Manny fought Oscar at 147, the weight Oscar challenge Manny at. It's not Manny's fault Oscar was washed up, same with Saul. TBud beat a non motivated damaged good Canelo. And this supposed to be TBud's best win buahahah!! Weak resume to say the least.

the CIRCUMSTANCES around the win makes it one of the greatest wins in boxing history

Yes Saul was past prime but TBud jumped up two weights to immediately take on the the undisputed champ who was ranked p4p at the time and a lower tier all time great

1. Sugar Robinson
2. Harry
3. Henry
4. Sam
5. Ezzard
6. WIllie
7. Muhammad
8. Roberto
9. Sugar Leonard
10. Floyd
11. Joe
12. Benny Leonard
13. Pernell
14. manny
15. Jimmy
16. Mickey
17. Archie
18. Carlos
19. Marvin
20. Barney
21. Tony
22. Julio Cesar
23. Rocky
24. Larry
25. Gene
26. Jack
27. TBud

[SouthpawRight]

Terence is the best of this era's greats

so if his record is lacking, the rest of them are deep fried Top Soviet Bivol Naruto Naoya Cossack Oleksandr Saul

[daggum]

TBud higher level than Oscar

37 year old TBud whooped ATG Saul at 168

31 year old Oscar at 160 needed a gift decision over Felix Strum and was folded by Bernard to the body

all time great at 168? he ducked the defining fight he could have had there against benavidez. solid resume there but cherry picking soft opponents to continue winning while the most dangerous guy is avoided has to be heavily weighted against his greatness.

[SouthpawRight]

all time great at 168? he ducked the defining fight he could have had there against benavidez. solid resume there but cherry picking soft opponents to continue winning while the most dangerous guy is avoided has to be heavily weighted against his greatness.

No

he's ATG Saul at 168

NOT Saul ATG at 168

all around atg yes

[IceTrayDaGang]

so Oscar faces a hittable Floyd that has the power to hurt him

the CIRCUMSTANCES around the win makes it one of the greatest wins in boxing history

Yes Saul was past prime but TBud jumped up two weights to immediately take on the the undisputed champ who was ranked p4p at the time and a lower tier all time great

1. Sugar Robinson
2. Harry
3. Henry
4. Sam
5. Ezzard
6. WIllie
7. Muhammad
8. Roberto
9. Sugar Leonard
10. Floyd
11. Joe
12. Benny Leonard
13. Pernell
14. manny
15. Jimmy
16. Mickey
17. Archie
18. Carlos
19. Marvin
20. Barney
21. Tony
22. Julio Cesar
23. Rocky
24. Larry
25. Gene
26. Jack
27. TBud

consider how weak TBud's resume is, yes, Saul is a good name on there, possibly the best name on his resume, but let's not act like Saul wasnt washed up. Same like when Pac beat Oscar, it was a good name, but it wasn't the same Oscar.

[SouthpawRight]

consider how weak TBud's resume is, yes, Saul is a good name on there, possibly the best name on his resume, but let's not act like Saul wasnt washed up. Same like when Pac beat Oscar, it was a good name, but it wasn't the same Oscar.

we’ll see how past prime Saul is in his next fight

Premature to call him washed up after being beat by top 27 all time

Great fighters beat other great fighters

manny had a weight drained oscar

so that Saul was nowhere near as diminished as oscar

[Haka]

3G messed up Canelo was never the same after.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Summed it up perfectly. In reality Crawfords career never really took off since the opponents weren't there the rematch against Canelo would have been a good statement because Canelo performed a bit lax and a lot of rounds where just fencing rounds that Crawford was able to chip away marginally. So there was definitely perspective from Canelo's side to approach a rematch. However Crawford career would have been much much better had he been able to clear out 154 and maybe 160 since all those fighters are at their peak early mid 20s/ early 30s.

Yes I agree. People are behaving like Terrence Crawford has cleared out the 168 pound division 'he had one fight at 154 pounds, and then one fight at 168 pounds. If you check the career's of Floyd Mayweather Junior, Manny Pacquiao, Oscar De La Hoya and Roy Jones Junior. They became champions in multiple weight divisions, and then ether took on all comers and dominated or at the very least attempt to. Crawford has not been about that life at 154 and 168 pounds'.

Note: Terrence Crawford was fortunate to land the Canelo Alvarez fight when he did 'great timing, and a solid win on his resume. But the truth is? Canelo Alvarez still has a overall better resume than Terrence Crawford'.

To conclude: Terrence Crawford is a great fighter, and one of the greatest fighters of his generation 'but recently I have received some hostility, when I suggested that for the large majority of his career he has tactically avoided fighting at his more naturally fighting weight'.

The jump up to 168 pounds for Crawford was no big deal 'he was just now fighting closer to his natural fighting weight. And like you said? If he would have done this early in his career, then he maybe would have acquired a better resume and be held in higher regard within the boxing community and beyond' etc.

[SouthpawRight]

3G messed up Canelo was never the same after.

Saul was in his prime with the 2nd fight but past prime SOMETIME after the 3rd fight

Absolute Peak Saul was when he whooped Billy Joe

Small Floyd TOYED with a Pre-Prime Saul

Big Top Soviet Bivol MOPPED P4P King Prime Saul

TBud whooped a Past Prime Saul