Jealousy is the root of all evil

[Coverdale]

I think you may be on to something with boxing not having a structured league or schedule causing it to lead to more self promotion. And for certain, the gentlemanly nature of the country club sports probably brings out a bit more decorum than boxing, remember how shocked people were when Andre Agasi Didn't wear all white?

I also wonder if the protecting the '0' culture that has come about in modern boxing has something to do with it? A century ago all the best fighters fought dozens of times a year just to make a living, and as such the occasional loss came about, with such a busy schedule and large sample size its bound to happen. Nowadays though, the top fighters fight less often and can make a long career without taking a loss, or taking so few that they can explain away the few they do take ("I felt I did what I needed to do to win....")

Compare that with other individual sports, Federer only won about 30% of the tournaments he entered, Tiger Woods less than 10%. They were the greatest at their sport, but lost far more events than they won due to the nature of their sport.

You make some great points here. The event based nature of boxing makes the stakes for losing very high and means fighters taking risks want ever more compensation, which contributes to the frustrating negotiations. We'll probably see this play out now with Boots and Ortiz.

[djtmal]

running your way to victory



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sounds real b*tch made

[Coverdale]

sounds real b*tch made

Can't you take it to a PM rather than disrupt multiple threads on this same subject in such a boring and repetitive way?

[DeeMoney]

You make some great points here. The event based nature of boxing makes the stakes for losing very high and means fighters taking risks want ever more compensation, which contributes to the frustrating negotiations. We'll probably see this play out now with Boots and Ortiz.

There is another aspect of boxing, and I'm upset I didnt think of it earlier, that may contribute to this.

There are essentially three types of sports: measured, officiated, and judged. Measured are sports like most track and field events, swimming, weight lifting, where the competitor completes a task on their own and tries to do it better than others. There is no direct competition, and the outcome is objective. Officiated is one where competitors directly compete against an opponent (most of your team sports) though the scoring is also for the most part objective (ball goes into a hoop or over a line, etc). But then there are judged sports, diving, gymnastics, etc where you want to impress a judge who is scoring subjectively.

Combat sports are a mix of the last two- you can score a KO making it somewhat officiated, but if not then it goes to the cards; which, like it or not, are subjective. Ray Arcel used to comb Duran's hair in between rounds to make him appear subjectively better. Boxer's raise their hand after a given round, or shake their head when connected on to act like they are doing better than the opponent. Boxing is a sport where often times the winner is determined by whose performance a small group of judges liked best. So in that way, boxers are designed to seek approval.

[djtmal]

Can't you take it to a PM rather than disrupt multiple threads on this same subject in such a boring and repetitive way?

man stfu i been here way longer than you. you take your siit to a pm

[HisExcellency]

That's cute

but I was responding to YOUR inquiry about why TBud is some type of way about it

We can only speculate how much influence manny had in him avoiding TBud

sweet tea sipping brits amuse

Those guys you mentioned are top 10 all time

manny slightly below them

1. Sugar Robinson
2. Harry
3. Henry
4. Sam
5. Ezzard
6. Willie
7. Muhammad
8. Roberto
9. Sugar Leonard
10. Floyd
11. Joe
12. Benny
13. Pernell
14. manny
15. Jimmy
16. Archie
17. Mickey
18. Carlos
19. Marvin
20. Barney
21. Tony
22. Julio Cesar

I DON'T think Pacquiao avoided Crawford...he isn't the type to shy away from challenges (i.e. fighting Thurman & Barrios in his 40s plus he had a fight lined up with Spence before he pulled out with an injury). Also, Bradley was the Welterweight champion at the time (and a much bigger name) which is why he fought him 3 times.

In other words, don't believe everything Crawford says plus he sold ZERO PPVs back then which is probably why Arum didn't make the fight.

As for your list, I know you have an affinity for BBC fighter's but it's a crime not to have Pacquiao in the top 10!

[SouthpawRight]

sounds real b*tch made

mal has 1st hand experience in itch made

I DON'T think Pacquiao avoided Crawford...he isn't the type to shy away from challenges (i.e. fighting Thurman & Barrios in his 40s plus he had a fight lined up with Spence before he pulled out with an injury). Also, Bradley was the Welterweight champion at the time (and a much bigger name) which is why he fought him 3 times.

In other words, don't believe everything Crawford says plus he sold ZERO PPVs back then which is probably why Arum didn't make the fight.

As for your list, I know you have an affinity for BBC fighter's but it's a crime not to have Pacquiao in the top 10!

manny was jeeting challenges during that period of his career when TBud was real feasible

Timmeh [already beat this guy twice]-Jessie-Jeff-Lucas-Adrienlol

the aforementioned weren’t pay per views either

bbc isnt the ranking edge that you think it is 3/10 on the list are light skinned guys. That’s great given how short the list is

1. Sugar Robinson
2. Harry
3. Henry
4. Sam
5. Ezzard
6. Willie
7. Muhammad
8. Roberto
9. Sugar Leonard
10. Floyd

[Smash]

google dictionary says

money is the root of all evil