The GOAT! Pacquiao or Floyd or Crawford?

[SouthpawRight]

They aren’t better than Terence “TBE” Crawford

Crawford and Pac in his prime skillwise are two incredible fighters who could have contended in any era IMO.

Floyd's defensive style is technically amazing. But he isn't a big puncher and he couldn't have created a "bad guy that people will pay to see lose" persona in other era's, at least not nearly to the extent he did in his own era. He would have been forced to fight a bit more straight up and it would have led to a different level of career most likely.

I see manny having a harder time in past eras where fight tape was limited and there was less film study. Freddie's gameplans would see a drop in quality

Floyd's extreme adaptability and otherworldly adjustments processing speed would be a bigger edge in the Sugar Robinson times

TBud would be okay it takes him twice as long as Floyd to crack codes, but he still solves them

[IronDanHamza]

Low activity, bogus retirements and never fighting abroad increase the likelihood of remaining undefeated, too.

If a fighter remains undefeated across 50 fights with 44% of those fights being vs reigning world champions it's very unlikely.

When you then add the context that it's across 5 weight classes, 4 of which that fighter is winning Lineal Titles in it becomes extremely unlikely.

When you then add the further context that that fighter beat 10 #1 ranked fighters in the division being fought in and 7 Top 10 P4P ranked fighters it becomes astronomically unlikely.

There's a reason no other fighter in the history of the sport can say the above, because it's fuckin unlikely.

[TheProudLunatic]

of course these guys would fight up to twice PER MONTH

Fighting frequently instead of long training camps with spars

This si why I can't give those guys 100% props
The ATGs from that era feasted on bartenders and club bouncers
When the sport was at it most corrupt
When people were fighting just to put food on the table

IOW, the absolute worst level of opps a guy could fight.

100+ wins

[Coverdale]

If a fighter remains undefeated across 50 fights with 44% of those fights being vs reigning world champions it's very unlikely.

When you then add the context that it's across 5 weight classes, 4 of which that fighter is winning Lineal Titles in it becomes extremely unlikely.

When you then add the further context that that fighter beat 10 #1 ranked fighters in the division being fought in and 7 Top 10 P4P ranked fighters it becomes astronomically unlikely.

There's a reason no other fighter in the history of the sport can say the above, because it's fuckin unlikely.

Nothing you have written is factually inaccurate. But you must also concede the 'context' of most of those fights being in his hometown with his favourite referee and missing some key players in a very strong welterweight period.

[IronDanHamza]

Nothing you have written is factually inaccurate. But you must also concede the 'context' of most of those fights being in his hometown with his favourite referee and missing some key players in a very strong welterweight period.

Floyd’s from Grand Rapids Michigan so no, I don’t agree.

I’ve no clue who his “favourite” referee is. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have one unless we begin delve into conspiracy theory nonsense. I thought it was Joe Cortez apparently and he reffed how many Floyd fights? Not that many to my memory.

Either way it’s irrelevant to the point. What Floyd achieved in his career is in the sub 1%, doing it undefeated is in the sub 0.00000000000000000001% I.e extremely rare/unlikely.

[djtmal]

Floyd’s from Grand Rapids Michigan so no, I don’t agree.

I’ve no clue who his “favourite” referee is. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have one unless we begin delve into conspiracy theory nonsense. I thought it was Joe Cortez apparently and he reffed how many Floyd fights? Not that many to my memory.

Either way it’s irrelevant to the point. What Floyd achieved in his career is in the sub 1%, doing it undefeated is in the sub 0.00000000000000000001% I.e extremely rare/unlikely.

How many prime all time great fighters did Floyd beat

In the welterweight division how many natural welterweights did Floyd beat

[Coverdale]

Floyd’s from Grand Rapids Michigan so no, I don’t agree.

I’ve no clue who his “favourite” referee is. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have one unless we begin delve into conspiracy theory nonsense. I thought it was Joe Cortez apparently and he reffed how many Floyd fights? Not that many to my memory.

Either way it’s irrelevant to the point. What Floyd achieved in his career is in the sub 1%, doing it undefeated is in the sub 0.00000000000000000001% I.e extremely rare/unlikely.

I wrote hometown, not birth town. He lived in an exclusive mansion in Vegas and was a major figure there. Don't be disingenuous.

Bayless was his favourite referee who officiated for 7 of his fights (Cortez 4). I'm not suggesting an explicit conspiracy, just them being conditioned to treat him and his style more favourably.

The above aside, and focusing on your final sentence, why don't you consider Mayweather to be the greatest boxer of all time?

[hugh grant]

How many prime all time great fighters did Floyd beat

In the welterweight division how many natural welterweights did Floyd beat

I always feel as if this is a rhetorical question as id imagine anyone would know its zero. But Pac on the other hand must have at least 5 ATG wins.

[IronDanHamza]

I wrote hometown, not birth town. He lived in an exclusive mansion in Vegas and was a major figure there. Don't be disingenuous.

Your hometown is generally considered where you were born or spent the majority of your childhood. Which is not Las Vegas.

Plenty of fighters re-locate for career reasons. Floyd being one of many.

Bayless was his favourite referee who officiated for 7 of his fights (Cortez 4). I'm not suggesting an explicit conspiracy, just them being conditioned to treat him and his style more favourably.

Bayless was his favourite referee how? How do you know that or are you just pulling it out of thin air? You know Floyd doesn't pick who referee's his fights?

The above aside, and focusing on your final sentence, why don't you consider Mayweather to be the greatest boxer of all time?

The sentence you're referring to was in response to your notion of it being something that's not likely, when it demonstrably and objectively isn't likely and is in fact very unlikely.

To answer your question, he is one of the them. He's not #1 IMO because others resumes/accomplishments overshadow his.

[IronDanHamza]

How many prime all time great fighters did Floyd beat

ATG's in general; One (Canelo)

ATG divisionally; One (Castillo x2)

So two total.

In the welterweight division how many natural welterweights did Floyd beat

What do you mean by "natural welterweight"?