The GOAT! Pacquiao or Floyd or Crawford?

[SouthpawRight]

Mayweather needed a year to prepare for Victor Ortiz and Robert Guerrero. That just didn't do it for me.

more like a quarter

Floyd faced HOF level opps between those lesser contenders:

Victor Sept 2011

MIGUEL May 2012

Jailed

Robert May 2013

SAUL Sept 2013

Floyd's two a year schedule was vastly superior to these present day one a year guys:

Usyk jeeted 2025 after Dubois lol. We have little white teenie boppers declaring Usyk the goat after ko'ing Dubois of all opps lol. Floyd would be crucified if his fans acted as delusional after he ko'd Victor

TBud jeeted the rematch and 2024 after Madrimov. Floyd immediately rematched Marcos who was good enough to have a case for 5 rounds instead of ducking

Artur jeeted 2022 after making light work of Joe Smith Jr. Floyd went lazy after beating Shane but at least he was HOF opp who hurt Floyd the most in his career

[Rockybigblower]

Definitely Crawford. I mean lets face it. Floyd and Manny could never beat the fighters on crawfords resume...exception being Floyd over Canelo....but Crawford would definitely breeze through Floyd and pacs resumes. In fact if Crawford was in the four kings era...he would be the only king. We wouldnt be talking about hearns or leonard. They'd just be footnotes.

[SouthpawRight]

Definitely Crawford. I mean let’s face it. Floyd and Manny could never beat the fighters on crawfords resume...exception being Floyd over Canelo....but Crawford would definitely breeze through Floyd and pacs resumes. In fact if Crawford was in the four kings era...he would be the only king. We wouldnt be talking about hearns or leonard. They'd just be footnotes.

Unlike Floyd at least TBud wouldn’t be undersized against the 4 Kings

For me Floyd is level with Sugar Leonard and Roberto

TBud is marginally behind them about Marvin Hagler level

[Carpe Diem]

They aren’t better than Terence “TBE” Crawford

[Coverdale]

more like a quarter

Floyd faced HOF level opps between those lesser contenders:

Victor Sept 2011

MIGUEL May 2012

Jailed

Robert May 2013

SAUL Sept 2013

Floyd's two a year schedule was vastly superior to these present day one a year guys:

Usyk jeeted 2025 after Dubois lol. We have little white teenie boppers declaring Usyk the goat after ko'ing Dubois of all opps lol. Floyd would be crucified if his fans acted as delusional after he ko'd Victor

TBud jeeted the rematch and 2024 after Madrimov. Floyd immediately rematched Marcos who was good enough to have a case for 5 rounds instead of ducking

Artur jeeted 2022 after making light work of Joe Smith Jr. Floyd went lazy after beating Shane but at least he was HOF opp who hurt Floyd the most in his career

You're changing the subject. We're talking about activity compared with old timer fighters. Mayweather (along with those other fighters you irrelevantly brought into the conversation) had a very low activity rate which was compounded when fighting guys like Guerrero and Ortiz.

Fighting less frequently in your home city with your favourite referee obviously increases the likelihood of remaining undefeated. His 'TBE' claim always rang extremely hollow to me as a result of this.

[elfag]

You're changing the subject. We're talking about activity compared with old timer fighters. Mayweather (along with those other fighters you irrelevantly brought into the conversation) had a very low activity rate which was compounded when fighting guys like Guerrero and Ortiz.

Fighting less frequently in your home city with your favourite referee obviously increases the likelihood of remaining undefeated. His 'TBE' claim always rang extremely hollow to me as a result of this.

Floyd fought more full time boxers than old era boxers ever did

Look at someone like Marciano

He's first almost 40 fights were against plummers, machinists and factory workers.

Guerro and Ortiz were atleast afforded the opportunity to have full time fight camps and dedicated.coaches against Floyd

That means more than SRR fighting some guy who works 12 hour shifts at the steel plant and boxes part time. Then next month he would knock out someone from the Ford assembly line and burt sugar would posthumously suck him off for it 5 decades later

[hugh grant]

Definitely Crawford. I mean lets face it. Floyd and Manny could never beat the fighters on crawfords resume...exception being Floyd over Canelo....but Crawford would definitely breeze through Floyd and pacs resumes. In fact if Crawford was in the four kings era...he would be the only king. We wouldnt be talking about hearns or leonard. They'd just be footnotes.

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I don't think bud or floyd would succeed with pac s workload. B u d only fighting once a year gives him 10 months to prepare for nelo. Bu d all of a sudden started calling nelo name, as he knew he'd been training 3 years for Nel o and by that time could fight Nel o in his sleep. And they've not even achieved like for like what pac did. If bud campaigned in his 8th division for next 5 years then bud would be pacscequal.

[Coverdale]

Floyd fought more full time boxers than old era boxers ever did

Look at someone like Marciano

He's first almost 40 fights were against plummers, machinists and factory workers.

Guerro and Ortiz were atleast afforded the opportunity to have full time fight camps and dedicated.coaches against Floyd

That means more than SRR fighting some guy who works 12 hour shifts at the steel plant and boxes part time. Then next month he would knock out someone from the Ford assembly line and burt sugar would posthumously suck him off for it 5 decades later

That's probably one of the most compelling responses I've had on this subject here, even if your stats are not exactly accurate.

I still think it's dubious to take a year to face Guerrero and Ortiz and call yourself 'TBE'. Especially when that annual fight ends up being dull as dishwater.

[SouthpawRight]

You're changing the subject. We're talking about activity compared with old timer fighters. Mayweather (along with those other fighters you irrelevantly brought into the conversation) had a very low activity rate which was compounded when fighting guys like Guerrero and Ortiz.

Fighting less frequently in your home city with your favourite referee obviously increases the likelihood of remaining undefeated. His 'TBE' claim always rang extremely hollow to me as a result of this.

QUESTIONABLE that Vegas scorecard edge for Floyd

Floyd saw sht scorecards in Vegas

Oscar 115-113. Oscar took 4 in reality rounds: 2, 4, 6, and 12

a draw with Saul who only had one round the 12th which Floyd gave away

judging favoritism for Floyd was due to clean punching mastery PPV King

TBE moniker too marked Floyd otherworldly ability. Floyd easily ran through 9 hall of famers with his picture perfect punching

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Crawford and Pac in his prime skillwise are two incredible fighters who could have contended in any era IMO.

Floyd's defensive style is technically amazing. But he isn't a big puncher and he couldn't have created a "bad guy that people will pay to see lose" persona in other era's, at least not nearly to the extent he did in his own era. He would have been forced to fight a bit more straight up and it would have led to a different level of career most likely.