Wardley's recuperative abilities and self belief are special

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If he can hurt usyk he can beat him.

If he can foster usyk he can beat him

[M312]

I agree with plenty of what you say but he's been a top 10 heavyweight for a long time. That doesn't happen by fluke and it's not like he was carefully managed through match making... he's never been box office and only ever got what his results in the ring deserved.

He's beaten Takam, Chisora, Ruiz, Wilder, Zhang and Bakole. I know that's not exactly murderers row but it's a pretty solid resume for a contender.

He's a good size and a good fighter. Not outstanding but a level ahead of the average fringe contender.

Against Wardley he just got beaten by someone with a few exceptional attributes that he couldn't match. Not many hit like Wardley and despite Parker not being the heaviest handed in the division, not many would be able to take what he landed and fire back.

I'd love to see him in with Huni to get a sense of where they're both at. I agree that Huni would win plenty of rounds but it's a fight that Parker could win by experience and toughness. Huni really doesn't seem to have either.

Guess we disagree on what average means. You might be talking about in general, in which case I agree, he obviously above average.

If talking about the best at the division, he's pretty **** average.

He's 1-1 with Chisora, that's about his level. I wouldn't want to fight him, but against the best he'll lose a lot.

Huni would outbox him for sure. Parker can't beat anyone who pressures him or is faster than him. He hasn't got the feet or attitude to do it. Not sure he does win any rounds.

I'd even go as far as saying he only has punchers chance - and he doesn't hit hard... But Huni's chin is sketchy, so it'll be a fun watch as Jutis could be knocked out at any moment.



Might as well also throw in that I think Andy Lee sucks too.

These two are so overhyped. Andy Lee as a tactician is very poor. His boxers don't seem to adapt well. They haven't even mastered the Kronk jab very well, the basic fundamental of that gym.

Davison is often derided, but his boxers go in with a plan, they set traps and often land that hail Mary shot. It's not luck, it's planned.

We don't see that with Lee, he's trying to be a Kronk trainer, but he's doing it poorly.

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Wardley knows he can get a stoppage at any time simply by throwing punches and foster will jump in. That is a huge advantage to have in your back pocket. You can fight freely, drop rounds, go for big shots only, conserve energy, etc...then wait for the time to "go for it" then after the fight flood the media with hypotheticals and counter factuals about what could have or would have happened while ignoring what did happen in reality which is not getting a legit stoppage

[Coverdale]

And? So they are very open to hype as well.

Joe Joyce beat the living daylight out of Parker. Made him question life itself.

Show how limited and poor these ranking are. 'Based on merit'. Yet anyone who actually watches boxing could see that Parker was just a guy in the right place at the right time. He's barely top 10.

Even in his win v Zhang he looked like the loser.

Rematch Bakole with a training camp. I dare him.

Is your adrenaline up and causing you to not read posts properly or perhaps you're a naturally confrontational person? I said he was there by 'default' which is generally not considered complimentary. I was just attempting to give a sober rationale for why he was there. A case could be made for Kabayel being #1 but who else?

[M312]

Wardley knows he can get a stoppage at any time simply by throwing punches and foster will jump in. That is a huge advantage to have in your back pocket. You can fight freely, drop rounds, go for big shots only, conserve energy, etc...then wait for the time to "go for it" then after the fight flood the media with hypotheticals and counter factuals about what could have or would have happened while ignoring what did happen in reality which is not getting a legit stoppage

He did exactly that in Round 2 when he had Parker on the verge of being knocked out.

The ref saved him and gave him a ton of time to recover.

The difference in Round 11 was Parker was almost knocked out in 10 too. That was 5 minutes of no response, no punches, no legs. It was time.

[M312]

Is your adrenaline up and causing you to not read posts properly or perhaps you're a naturally confrontational person? I said he was there by 'default' which is generally not considered complimentary. I was just attempting to give a sober rationale for why he was there. A case could be made for Kabayel being #1 but who else?

I'm simply telling you that the ranking was not good.
Why is that a problem for you?

You can quote them all you want, but it was wrong. Anyone who thought Parker should be ranked highly was... Wrong.

His wins were not even impressive. He looked like the loser v Zhang and different judges he would've been.

Sometimes there's more to rankings that looking at a record on Boxrec. People who do that wouldn't even know that Parker was really 1-1 with Chisora.

To answer the question, DDD, Kabayel, Hrgovic, AJ should all be higher than Parker.

Parker should be about level with Zhang, he barely nicked the win, it was more to do with Zhang not throwing than Parker winning, so 5th/6th is probably about right pre-Wardley.

Now, 8/9.

[Coverdale]

I'm simply telling you that the ranking was not good.
Why is that a problem for you?

You can quote them all you want, but it was wrong. Anyone who thought Parker should be ranked highly was... Wrong.

His wins were not even impressive. He looked like the loser v Zhang and different judges he would've been.

Sometimes there's more to rankings that looking at a record on Boxrec. People who do that wouldn't even know that Parker was really 1-1 with Chisora.

To answer the question, DDD, Kabayel, Hrgovic, AJ should all be higher than Parker.

Parker should be about level with Zhang, he barely nicked the win, it was more to do with Zhang not throwing than Parker winning, so 5th/6th is probably about right pre-Wardley.

Now, 8/9.

Saying his wins were not impressive is subjective as is your opinion that his ranking was 'not good'. I think it was defensible compared with the merits of the rest of the remaining ten. That's all that matters when comparing the ranking with the sanctioning bodies.

Boxrec is useful for record keeping (although their petulance over the WBA is irritating) but their points based ranking system has always been dubious.

AJ was dropped from the rankings due to a year of inactivity which is standard TBRB practice. Hrgovic is only two fights removed from the loss to DDD, and his wins over Joyce and Adeleye are not exceptional. Leaving DDD at #1 after losing to Usyk is an argument with merit. Kabayel being #1 is a reasonable argument too.

Given Parker (#1) just lost to Wardley (#8) they may well switch places. I personally wouldn't place Parker below Ajagba; #5 (above Chisora) seems about right.

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He did exactly that in Round 2 when he had Parker on the verge of being knocked out.

The ref saved him and gave him a ton of time to recover.

The difference in Round 11 was Parker was almost knocked out in 10 too. That was 5 minutes of no response, no punches, no legs. It was time.

He got hurt at the end of Round 10, not sure framing it as almost knocked out is accurate. If you watch that last 20 seconds he slips all of wardleys follow up attack. That is clearly a response. No response would be him standing there taking punches. He moved around the ring using his legs and also his upper body to avoid the punches.

Are you counting the minute between rounds as time Parker isn't throwing punches? How could he? Attack his trainer?

Parker was throwing punches in the 11th so thats not even correct anyway. He threw numerous jabs and even after he got hurt he threw a big left hook and then he threw 2 punches 2 seconds before tbe fight was stopped so saying no punches is just not true.

I didnt know there was a punch quota in boxing. Yeah 3 punches in 20 seconds isn't going to win you many rounds but when a guy with better power is emptying his tank do you really want to open yourself up in that moment? Ironically Parker preventing himself from getting knocked out got him knocked out(on paper)

[M312]

Saying his wins were not impressive is subjective as is your opinion that his ranking was 'not good'. I think it was defensible compared with the merits of the rest of the remaining ten. That's all that matters when comparing the ranking with the sanctioning bodies.

Boxrec is useful for record keeping (although their petulance over the WBA is irritating) but their points based ranking system has always been dubious.

AJ was dropped from the rankings due to a year of inactivity which is standard TBRB practice. Hrgovic is only two fights removed from the loss to DDD, and his wins over Joyce and Adeleye are not exceptional. Leaving DDD at #1 after losing to Usyk is an argument with merit. Kabayel being #1 is a reasonable argument too.

Given Parker (#1) just lost to Wardley (#8) they may well switch places. I personally wouldn't place Parker below Ajagba; #5 (above Chisora) seems about right.

Well it's all opinion isn't it?

Point I'm making is that Parker was never the 2nd best heavyweight. Doesn't matter what ranking system said that.

Just watching him is enough to understand that he simply loses to a lot of heavyweights.

And anyway, really we're talking fan rankings. Anyone who truly believed he was the 2nd best heavyweight is wild imo. There's so much evidence to show he's not close.