Can Floyd Mayweather be considered an All-time-Great when he has never fought outside Vegas without hometown advantages?

[Jacobson]

Ali, Duran, Robinson, Oscar, Pacquiao, you name it… every other ATG in history have traveled to foreign hostile countries/territories to fight, without hometown advantage. Crawford for example had to go to England to win his first title against Ricky Burns I believe, so did Spence. Fury and AJ at least tested themselves by coming to the US to fight (and Fury got robbed btw). Usyk has spent his entire career fighting on the road, against crazy politics and judges that were out to screw him, and still stands undefeated. The list goes on and on.

Floyd’s is the only one here that has NEVER fought outside of Las Vegas his home turf, let alone in another country. In most his fights the judges, referee, and commission are on his side. He CLEARLY lost the Castillo fight and got a gift. He gets to pick his opponents gloves, cheat with IVs, deny other fighters medication, handpick the referee, etc. Just LOL. Never has to travel himself. His career has always been about minimizing risk and maintaining advantage, rather than chasing greatness.

This why I can’t have Floyd in my Top 20. It’s not because he isn’t a good fighter. But every other fighter on that list chose to step outside their comfort zone and truly test themselves. They deserve to be called Great for it. Floyd doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Robinson Duran and Usyk. It’s just the truth.

And now he is fighting 60 year old Mike Tyson. SMH.

[RadChang]

Floyd’s the biggest cherry picker and fraud in boxing history.

[SouthpawRight]

can't blame the American for other countries sucking at boxing and/or being poor

[SouthpawRight]

I want see what the dynamic would be like between Turki and a boxer like Floyd who knows how to sell himself and his fights

[Rad]

Floyd should have 4 losses: Castillo, Oscar, Maidana and disqualification for Uncle Roger jumping in the ring to choke out Judah.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes.

/thread.

[Malvado]

Do think Floyd is extraordinarily talented, and unlike Alvarez, Mayweather quite proved himself quite early on before having a mixed career of well timed picked opponents and took some risks occasionally.

But I do think people are to infatuated with the 0 due to the marketing behind it, and the athlete himself having the sheer athleticism along with skill to make it seem that way. Making them think the guy is unbeatable because of it. Like if Canelo managed his career around Mayweather, Crawford and Bivol while waiting to age GGG. He also be undefeated and his fans would quite pander his resume because of it, they say he beat the boxers mentioned too.

Mayweather still beat top boxers though when he became Money Mayweather, he beat Guerrero, Cotto, Maidana, and Alvarez in the later stage of his career. He also could likely beat other notable fighters from others time, but wouldn't be unbeatable either. Do think Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao would had been more interesting if they were in their prime considering their stamina, reflexes and athleticism had faded at those points of their careers by the time they fought. He does deserve a degree of credit.

Think Floyd's has other underrated wins below 147, against Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Arturo Gatti and Jose Luis Castillo which compliment his noteworthy wins at Welterweight.

Still Castillo, Judah, Mosley, Maidana, Pacquiao and De La Hoya proved that it takes a fighter with very good timing, skilled at closing in and high output to catch him often. Haven't seen Floyd fight tall precise rangy boxers who have notable punching power at Welterweight. But Corrales and Hernandez are in the 6 foot range. Oscar is also pretty close to that height.

[SouthpawRight]

Do think Floyd is extraordinarily talented, and unlike Alvarez, Mayweather quite proved himself quite early on before having a mixed career of well timed picked opponents and took some risks occasionally.

But I do think people are to infatuated with the 0 due to the marketing behind it, and the athlete himself having the sheer athleticism along with skill to make it seem that way. Making them think the guy is unbeatable because of it. Like if Canelo managed his career around Mayweather, Crawford and Bivol while waiting to age GGG. He also be undefeated and his fans would quite pander his resume because of it, they say he beat the boxers mentioned too.

Mayweather still beat top boxers though when he became Money Mayweather, he beat Guerrero, Cotto, Maidana, and Alvarez in the later stage of his career. He also could likely beat other notable fighters from others time, but wouldn't be unbeatable either. Do think Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao would had been more interesting if they were in their prime considering their stamina, reflexes and athleticism had faded at those points of their careers by the time they fought.

Think Floyd's has other underrated wins below 147, against Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Arturo Gatti and Jose Luis Castillo which compliment his noteworthy wins at Welterweight.

Floyd top 11 all time

right behind SUGAR LEONARD

[Malvado]

Floyd top 11 all time

right behind SUGAR LEONARD

Perhaps, to be fair I think I have to watch more of both. There is no longer the recency bias for me that could play a role on his position.

What is reason you position Mayweather there.

[hugh grant]

Floyd has great knowledge and skills, I get that part. He was learning not to get hit since I'n diapers so of course he's going to be good at that. Sure he's given himself the best chance to not slur his words in old age. But greatness as a fighter is much more than that, and floyd fell short. Too much ammunition to penalise floyd to mention, id be here all night.
Its funny when I hear people say Floyd's pfp best of era? So how many divisions would Pac need to have titles in exactly to be no1, name your price?