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  • dan_cov
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    Boots vs Bud or Ortiz are the only fights that matter

    I don't care who is to blame or for title accumulation/belt collecting, I just want to see these 3 compete vs each other.
    The best vs the best.
    I don't even care for the weight, just fight.
    We should all be pressuring for these fights - The money is there, no excuses, if there is boycott them. I don't want to see Boots vs Lima and rubbish of this nature even if it is a tune up, its garbage.

    These are the 3 best (I do think Ortiz is a cut below) however, acceptable and he's earned it.
    Skilled, tough as anything and you maybe more skilled than him or a better athlete but he has that F.U attitude & it doesn't dwindle or come in bursts. If you hurt him he's going to come even harder.
    Vergil is a bad boy the total opposite of these **** talkers today who talk and talk and talk then stink the place out.
    He won't sit admiring Bud & Boots skills and sit back mesmerised. He cuts a ring off great, faints and jabs his way in, busy, rips the body, good variety and he's ferocious. If he is getting outboxed he will 100% drag them into a dog fight and go all out and set an uncomfortable pace. He may get outfought but he's going to get his licks in and they're going to know they're in a fight.

    I don't care to see these 3 fighting others and the supposed top dogs at 154 or 160 for that matter, the divisions are graveyards.
    Bud vs Sheeraz - Does nothing for me, you all just seen him get outboxed, outfought, outhustled by Adames who is nothing special. He is just big and powerful, terribly limited.
    His size and power gives it some intrigue and no two fights are the same but lets be real if Adames is doing that to him, Bud can do it ten times better.

    I want to see the best vs the best, the most skilled. Many will disagree I assume as I've seen a lot in awe over Bud vs Canelo and claim it was super high level but for me I only seen one elite fighter in there. I didn't see no adjustments from Canelo and everything was missing to make it high level or competitive. I don't think we've even seen the best Bud yet, seriously. He took it up a notch in the championship rounds but I feel there maybe more there, Canelo frankly hadn't the skills to bring it out. He acted as little more than a punchbag.

    If I see Bud again I want to see him in with someone who can at least match him in multiple areas if not best him in many. Not someone who has a very small window, a punchers chance.

    Even Fundora is being mentioned, 9ft tall, yeah great. Fights like he is 4ft and blocks everything with his face. No match for any decent counterpuncher with power they'll just make him overreach and knock him spark out. Being tall means nothing if you don't know how to fight tall, it may as well go down as a disadvantage when you fight someone decent.
    I would not be surprised (if a shot, inactive Thurman makes it to the ring) beats him. I think he'd have sprung the upset for Tyszu also which many laughed at me for saying at the time, I stick by it. I think Thurman would have most likely bodied him, he sucks. Even if he is shot and 5-6 yrs past it he's still athletic, still fast, explosive, hits hard enough, his technique is still there, his timing looked on point, you need to be defensively responsible.
    Last edited by dan_cov; 09-21-2025, 08:23 AM.
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    #2
    Boots has like 2 good wins. Get a grip.

    Winning titles at 160 would mean much more than a win over Ennis.

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      #3
      Originally posted by famicommander
      Boots has like 2 good wins. Get a grip.

      Winning titles at 160 would mean much more than a win over Ennis.

      2 more good wins than Janibek has

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        #4
        I remember a time it was who you beat now we're in the worst ever era and there are about 400,000 belts and its become a collection hobby.

        Nobody wants to challenge themselves, nobody wants to make defences or break records there its all about collecting titles vs vvank opposition.

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          #5
          I've seen people mentioning Bud vs Eubank Jr who has 0 good wins particularly.
          Sheeraz has 0
          Janibek = 0

          I know its a made up criteria but Boots has more decent wins than most of the potential opponents being spoken about.

          Its not just Bud vs Boots, hell give me Boots vs Ortiz. This is what should probably happen, winner earns a shot at Bud in a big super fight.
          Just any combination of the 3 would be brilliant for boxing.
          Last edited by dan_cov; 09-21-2025, 08:53 AM.

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            sure but would they meet him a catchweight of 160

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              #7
              Originally posted by dan_cov


              2 more good wins than Janibek has
              You really think old Lipinets and Stanionis are that much better than old N'Dam and Gualtieri?

              Maybe, but not by much.

              But more importantly, Janibek is an active unified world titlist. He has two belts in a new weight class for Crawford. Ennis has absolutely nothing to offer Crawford right now.

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                #8
                Originally posted by dan_cov
                I don't care who is to blame or for title accumulation/belt collecting, I just want to see these 3 compete vs each other.
                The best vs the best.
                I don't even care for the weight, just fight.
                We should all be pressuring for these fights - The money is there, no excuses, if there is boycott them. I don't want to see Boots vs Lima and rubbish of this nature even if it is a tune up, its garbage.

                These are the 3 best (I do think Ortiz is a cut below) however, acceptable and he's earned it.
                Skilled, tough as anything and you maybe more skilled than him or a better athlete but he has that F.U attitude & it doesn't dwindle or come in bursts. If you hurt him he's going to come even harder.
                Vergil is a bad boy the total opposite of these **** talkers today who talk and talk and talk then stink the place out.
                He won't sit admiring Bud & Boots skills and sit back mesmerised. He cuts a ring off great, faints and jabs his way in, busy, rips the body, good variety and he's ferocious. If he is getting outboxed he will 100% drag them into a dog fight and go all out and set an uncomfortable pace. He may get outfought but he's going to get his licks in and they're going to know they're in a fight.

                I don't care to see these 3 fighting others and the supposed top dogs at 154 or 160 for that matter, the divisions are graveyards.
                Bud vs Sheeraz - Does nothing for me, you all just seen him get outboxed, outfought, outhustled by Adames who is nothing special. He is just big and powerful, terribly limited.
                His size and power gives it some intrigue and no two fights are the same but lets be real if Adames is doing that to him, Bud can do it ten times better.

                I want to see the best vs the best, the most skilled. Many will disagree I assume as I've seen a lot in awe over Bud vs Canelo and claim it was super high level but for me I only seen one elite fighter in there. I didn't see no adjustments from Canelo and everything was missing to make it high level or competitive. I don't think we've even seen the best Bud yet, seriously. He took it up a notch in the championship rounds but I feel there maybe more there, Canelo frankly hadn't the skills to bring it out. He acted as little more than a punchbag.

                If I see Bud again I want to see him in with someone who can at least match him in multiple areas if not best him in many. Not someone who has a very small window, a punchers chance.

                Even Fundora is being mentioned, 9ft tall, yeah great. Fights like he is 4ft and blocks everything with his face. No match for any decent counterpuncher with power they'll just make him overreach and knock him spark out. Being tall means nothing if you don't know how to fight tall, it may as well go down as a disadvantage when you fight someone decent.
                I would not be surprised (if a shot, inactive Thurman makes it to the ring) beats him. I think he'd have sprung the upset for Tyszu also which many laughed at me for saying at the time, I stick by it. I think Thurman would have most likely bodied him, he sucks. Even if he is shot and 5-6 yrs past it he's still athletic, still fast, explosive, hits hard enough, his technique is still there, his timing looked on point, you need to be defensively responsible.
                Ortiz is a zero time champion and boots hasn't proven to be the best at 154.

                so what's in it for bud? The answer is nothing. if he beats ortiz, so what. Ortiz aint never been champion. If he beats boots, so what. Boots ain't fought nobody.

                Bud should retire or wait a year and see if somebody relevant emerges at 160. So that he can attempt a 6th division title.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by famicommander

                  You really think old Lipinets and Stanionis are that much better than old N'Dam and Gualtieri?

                  Maybe, but not by much.

                  But more importantly, Janibek is an active unified world titlist. He has two belts in a new weight class for Crawford. Ennis has absolutely nothing to offer Crawford right now.

                  I'll be honest I have no clue who Gualtieri is & I do think they are better than N'Dam in 2022 (6-8yrs back probably not). I think Karen is underrated, we laugh cause he's named Karen but that guys a skilled little fighter.

                  Boots would bring in significantly more money, views/fans. I am in no way saying Boots is a huge draw but he's known to British casuals and the likes.
                  Nobody outside of hardcore fans know who Janibek is and I don't think Turki would be all that interested in it the same way he would Bud vs Boots.

                  I do get it and get the whole becoming undisputed in several weight classes thing but I feel history will look back and not be kind when it sees who belts was won against. I get the accomplishment aspect but there are just way too many belts that its lost almost all meaning. So many of these fighters posing as world champions are domestic level these days.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Hustle

                    Ortiz is a zero time champion and boots hasn't proven to be the best at 154.

                    so what's in it for bud? The answer is nothing. if he beats ortiz, so what. Ortiz aint never been champion. If he beats boots, so what. Boots ain't fought nobody.

                    Bud should retire or wait a year and see if somebody relevant emerges at 160. So that he can attempt a 6th division title.

                    Money, respect, a challenge.
                    I don't think belts are important anymore. There are tons of guys out there I'd have no doubt would put a frightening beating on certain world champions, supposed world class fighters.
                    Ortiz hasn't won a belt but is there any doubt he's a world class fighter? He has a much better resume than most of these guys with belts. He has fought a lot of shared opposition with Bud and did just as well, he's fought all sorts of styles and tricky opponents and looked very impressive doing so.

                    Bud only fights once a year at best anyway but I agree, these guys need to separate themselves. Fight each other and put themselves into a position where its too big to ignore.

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