This maybe the tip of the iceberg re: su****ions of performance enhancers use by PAC

[IMDAZED]

I'm talking about his work out regimen. Arum considers Pacquiao's training "inhumane" with how much Pacquiao pushes himself in the gym. If he's takin' roids like Al Haymon suggests to combat the effects of hard training--they're should also be side effects by using them.

Wouldn't it depend on what he's taking, how he's taking it, etc.? Side effects vary from person to person. look at Lyle Alzado and compare to Jose Canseco.

[S A M U R A I]

why you say that because you dont agree with it
i mean the article drops names that could easily be look up and found on the net

The article doesn't exist.



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[Animalistic 5.0]

If Pacquiao is not using he should have sued Mayweather by now but the problem is once you sue someone you have to prove them wrong so maybe that is why has not send his legal team to sue Mayweather? Maybe he is using them?

This is really weird stuff.

[rao007]

Wouldn't it depend on what he's taking, how he's taking it, etc.? Side effects vary from person to person. look at Lyle Alzado and compare to Jose Canseco.

I gotcha. But you have to consider--how long has Pacquiao been fighting in the states? If he's been using controlled doses for the past 9 years that's still a lot given how long he usually trains in between fights which is 2/3 months. Let's also talk about his work rate inside the ring--I mean, is it purely PEDs? Or just a biproduct of using them as Al Haymon suggests when training.

[IMDAZED]

I gotcha. But you have to consider--how long has Pacquiao been fighting in the states? If he's been using controlled doses for the past 9 years that's still a lot given how long he usually trains in between fights which is 2/3 months. Let's also talk about his work rate inside the ring--I mean, is it purely PEDs? Or just a biproduct of using them as Al Haymon suggests when training.

I don't know if or when he started using. Furthermore, I don't see any real long term effects in Shane Mosley, for instance. Maybe they exist but I sure as hell don't know. There are different kinds of steroids so trying to find clues in work rate, etc is fruitless. Furthermore, the rumor I heard - which was well before this article - had much more to do with Roach than Pacquiao.

[rao007]

I don't know if or when he started using. Furthermore, I don't see any real long term effects in Shane Mosley, for instance. Maybe they exist but I sure as hell don't know. There are different kinds of steroids so trying to find clues in work rate, etc is fruitless. Furthermore, the rumor I heard - which was well before this article - had much more to do with Roach than Pacquiao.

Well, I was addressing my statement to Al Haymon's accusation.

This is clearly my point. You don't know when Pacquiao supposedly started using roids as much as Mosley on long terms effects, training, work rate, other than some people stating "BIG HEAD EQUAL ROIDS". If that's the case, Cotto is taking steroids--his head in the side view is HUGE compared with Pacquiao's--I mean gigantic.

Not unless someone has a smokin' gun to show Pacquiao took steroids--it's all crap to me. By the way, if you guys actually see video comaprisons of Pacquiao-Morales 1/2 fight--Pacquiao's body is largely the same, nothing that ACTUAL training couldn't accomplish.

[sycomantz]

unless Pac is a freak of nature, which hes not. and the fac tthat hes Pinoy shows that there is foul play going on i nhis camp.

no one retains strength, speed, and get better all at the same time moving up this late in their career.

Even FLoyd Jr, the best boxer of this era, didnt retain his gifts as we think. maybe he doesnt think so being that he doesnt fight now at WW the way he did at 130-140.

so even he saw he needed to use his talent in other ways from before moving up.

Manny is on some ****. and its obvious unless this dude gets hype on spinach like popeye

[rao007]

unless Pac is a freak of nature, which hes not. and the fac tthat hes Pinoy shows that there is foul play going on i nhis camp.

no one retains strength, speed, and get better all at the same time moving up this late in their career.

Even FLoyd Jr, the best boxer of this era, didnt retain his gifts as we think. maybe he doesnt think so being that he doesnt fight now at WW the way he did at 130-140.

so even he saw he needed to use his talent in other ways from before moving up.

Manny is on some ****. and its obvious unless this dude gets hype on spinach like popeye

Laughable. I see you haven't actually looked at all of Pacquiao's fights have you.

First, his punching power has been diminished. If you look at Pacquiao at Bantam and his Featherweight days--you'll see the difference. The Hatton fight was based on Hatton's POOR defense. pacquiao nowadays has to grind his opponents down before taking them out.

Secondly, his speed has slowed a bit since moving up.

And I repeat this. Delahoya, Diaz, even Shawn Porter, his sparring partner, say that Pacquiao's punches don't hurt but he's supposedly NOW, as we write these posts, on steroids. I guess, if Pacquiao had a rematch with Hatton--he would kill him and finish him off.

[Hagler★]

Im rooting for Cotto but Im a boxing fan overall and for the good of the sport, I hope this isnt true

[IMDAZED]

Laughable. I see you haven't actually looked at all of Pacquiao's fights have you.

First, his punching power has been diminished. If you look at Pacquiao at Bantam and his Featherweight days--you'll see the difference. The Hatton fight was based on Hatton's POOR defense. pacquiao nowadays has to grind his opponents down before taking them out.

Secondly, his speed has slowed a bit since moving up.

And I repeat this. Delahoya, Diaz, even Shawn Porter, his sparring partner, say that Pacquiao's punches don't hurt but he's supposedly NOW, as we write these posts, on steroids. I guess, if Pacquiao had a rematch with Hatton--he would kill him and finish him off.

Punching power isn't proof of roids, RAO. Just say there's no credible proof that he's on roids, and leave it at that. But trying to justify it by saying "oh, his body should be breaking down by now!" or "his punching power has diminished" does not disprove that someone is on roids. Holyfield's punching power diminished when he moved up to HW too. So did Mosley's. It is totally irrelevant.