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  • The Reality is that Oleksandr Usyk has more work to do before he can join the Super Greats.

    Held in very, very high esteem, never once beaten as a professional, several hall of famers beaten, albeit late in their careers, under his belt, and universally beloved the world over.
    Unbeaten and just perhaps, ....unbeatable?


    Such a legacy is the story of just two heavyweight champions in the 306 year history of the Modern age of the world heavyweight boxing title.

    One parallel that is not shared by Brockton, Massachusetts marvel Rocky Marciano and today's phenomenon, Oleksandr Usyk, is this:

    When Marciano walked away from the sport 70 years ago, there was nobody left to fight.

    Marciano had fought and defeated all those who might have had a chance ...Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Rex Layne, Roland LaStrza, Freddie Beshore, Lee Savold, Harry Matthews, Don ****ell and Archie Moore who had ruined title shots for Nino Valdez, Bob Baker and Harold Johnson on his way to Marciano.


    The next tsunami of top talent, comprised of Lightning fast Floyd Patterson, Destroyer Charles Sonny Liston, Cleveland Big Cat Williams, Boxing Scientist Zora Folly, Right Handed wrecker Ingemar Johansson and Marvelous Boxer-Puncher Eddie Machen were all years away from taking their places in the top 10 rankings; except for Patterson, who, like Moses Itauma today, came up young to eventually replace Marciano and the old guard. But without any doubt, when Rocky Marciano announced his retirement on April 27, 1956, his work had been completed, and no highly deserved contender who had earned his shot and presented any doubt as to whether Marciano could beat him was left on the scene.

    Today, the world heavyweight champion, who also holds all of the sanctioning body belts, coincidentally; is blessed to still have several challengers whose shot at the title is well earned and becoming overdue.

    Oleksandr Usyk, is most certainly a truly great champion, though he simply is not quite up into the ATG territory where many, more casual fans have mistakenly caste him; due to his bones having been made against only two career-enders and the hot/cold Daniel Dubois. But if Usyk is driven to make a stronger case for his legacy being that of a true ATG; Parker, Kabayel and Itauma are all there to help him do it.

    Gene Tunney, Marciano and Lennox Lewis; the only three to ever abandon the title and never come back; NEVER walked away with that much talent left holding the bag.

    An authentic GOAT Candidate can't do that. The competition for GOAT consideration is far too strong to get away with that, especially after having engaged in just 20 some-odd professional fights!

    So here's hoping that Usyk stays put for just a little while more, and avoids any more rematches or insignificant challenges.
    Last edited by Willow The Wisp; 08-18-2025, 09:25 AM.
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    Usyk can become a super great heavyweight but not an ALL TIME super great

    Usyk is 38 and a one fight per year guy in a weak heavyweight era

    No opposition, time, and work rate for Usyk to become an ALL TIME super great

    only people who think Usyk is ALL TIME super great are little Russian kids and eurocentrics

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    • #3
      Usyk-Parker

      then Usyk VS winner of Agit-Moses

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post



        So here's hoping that Usyk stays put for just a little while more, and avoids any more rematches or insignificant challenges.
        like it or not dubois had risen to top challenger to usyk after icing AJ and his fans even said and said and said again that he beat usyk in the first fight plus turki cash was involved, that was a rematch with the right guy

        usyk has fought all the right people bar none as far as i can see, its now up to him whether he continues on but given his age at 38 he will have to make that decision, parker is the next most deserving guy but turki is not interested, he wants this new 20 yr old guy who is the next bogeyman it seems but actually the least deserving of a shot of the 3, its not long ago that usyk was ducking zhang and bakole as well so u cant please everyone i guess

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Smash View Post

          like it or not dubois had risen to top challenger to usyk after icing AJ and his fans even said and said and said again that he beat usyk in the first fight plus turki cash was involved, that was a rematch with the right guy

          usyk has fought all the right people bar none as far as i can see, its now up to him whether he continues on but given his age at 38 he will have to make that decision, parker is the next most deserving guy but turki is not interested, he wants this new 20 yr old guy who is the next bogeyman it seems but actually the least deserving of a shot of the 3, its not long ago that usyk was ducking zhang and bakole as well so u cant please everyone i guess
          they must have thought Usyk is Joshua pillsbury dough boys are a handful for Buff Guy Anthony

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SouthpawRight View Post
            they must have thought Usyk is Joshua pillsbury dough boys are a handful for Buff Guy Anthony
            sounds good but i have no idea what it means

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
              Held in very, very high esteem, never once beaten as a professional, several hall of famers beaten, albeit late in their careers, under his belt, and universally beloved the world over.
              Unbeaten and just perhaps, ....unbeatable?


              Such a legacy is the story of just two heavyweight champions in the 306 year history of the Modern age of the world heavyweight boxing title.

              One parallel that is not shared by Brockton, Massachusetts marvel Rocky Marciano and today's phenomenon, Oleksandr Usyk, is this:

              When Marciano walked away from the sport 70 years ago, there was nobody left to fight.

              Marciano had fought and defeated all those who might have had a chance ...Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Rex Layne, Roland LaStrza, Freddie Beshore, Lee Savold, Harry Matthews, Don ****ell and Archie Moore who had ruined title shots for Nino Valdez, Bob Baker and Harold Johnson on his way to Marciano.


              The next tsunami of top talent, comprised of Lightning fast Floyd Patterson, Destroyer Charles Sonny Liston, Cleveland Big Cat Williams, Boxing Scientist Zora Folly, Right Handed wrecker Ingemar Johansson and Marvelous Boxer-Puncher Eddie Machen were all years away from taking their places in the top 10 rankings; except for Patterson, who, like Moses Itauma today, came up young to eventually replace Marciano and the old guard. But without any doubt, when Rocky Marciano announced his retirement on April 27, 1956, his work had been completed, and no highly deserved contender who had earned his shot and presented any doubt as to whether Marciano could beat him was left on the scene.

              Today, the world heavyweight champion, who also holds all of the sanctioning body belts, coincidentally; is blessed to still have several challengers whose shot at the title is well earned and becoming overdue.

              Oleksandr Usyk, is most certainly a truly great champion, though he simply is not quite up into the ATG territory where many, more casual fans have mistakenly caste him; due to his bones having been made against only two career-enders and the hot/cold Daniel Dubois. But if Usyk is driven to make a stronger case for his legacy being that of a true ATG; Parker, Kabayel and Itauma are all there to help him do it.

              Gene Tunney, Marciano and Lennox Lewis; the only three to ever abandon the title and never come back; NEVER walked away with that much talent left holding the bag.

              An authentic GOAT Candidate can't do that. The competition for GOAT consideration is far too strong to get away with that, especially after having engaged in just 20 some-odd professional fights!

              So here's hoping that Usyk stays put for just a little while more, and avoids any more rematches or insignificant challenges.
              - - Parker the only legit hvy left to fight and I suspect they fight in Usyk's last fight since Usyk will be retiring.

              And Usyk's opponents slaughter Rocky's opponents as anyone with a boxing brain knows...yeah!!!!
              SouthpaRight SouthpawRight likes this.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                - - Parker the only legit hvy left to fight and I suspect they fight in Usyk's last fight since Usyk will be retiring.

                And Usyk's opponents slaughter Rocky's opponents as anyone with a boxing brain knows...yeah!!!!
                I’m fine with Parker being Usyk final opponent

                Parker has a good style for Usyk and could win

                We could get a rematch maybe trilogy

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                • #9
                  Very eager to see if younger guys like Parker, Kabayel and "The Future" Itauma do better than near- completely worn out Fury, Joshua and Chisora did at the tail end of their long and difficult careers. All close and/or competitive fights too.


                  If Usyk wants his legacy to be all-that, he's got to press on a bit. Historians Don't forget.

                  If he were to retire today, I fear that he might be remembered by the ruthless writers as "A great fighter who came into an era during the final scene, beat two end stage champions; and ran off just in time as the toughest opponents cued up to lift his title off him".


                  I can't see this as anything but a great era for Heavyweights. 2015 to now? - Certainly the best of this century, given especially that Heavyweights grow bigger by the decade. Usyk should fight on, and let's just see if he can do to Parker, Kabayel and Itauma anything like what he did to Dubois and the raggedy remnants of Fury and Joshua.
                  Last edited by Willow The Wisp; 08-18-2025, 10:26 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
                    Very eager to see if younger guys like Parker, Kabayel and "The Future" Itauma do better than near- completely worn out Fury, Joshua and Chisora did at the tail end of their long and difficult careers. All close and/or competitive fights too.


                    If Usyk wants his legacy to be all-that, he's got to press on a bit. Historians Don't forget.

                    If he were to retire today, I fear that he might be remembered by the ruthless writers as "A great fighter who came into an era during the final scene, beat two end stage champions; and ran off just in time as the toughest opponents cued up to lift his title off him".


                    I can see this as anything but a great era for Heavyweights. 2015 to now? - Certainly the best of this century, given especially that Heavyweights grow bigger by the decade. Usyk should fight on, and let's just see if he can do to Parker, Kabayel and Itauma anything like what he did to Dubois and the raggedy remnants of Fury and Joshua.
                    - - Now there U go again.

                    Usyk is The Champ among champs who don't pay attention to what a bunch of scabs on a boxing board dribble about.
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