Why is Wilder back in hiding?

[Bennyleonard99]

So AJ can can call him out, instead of hiding in London like a Fraud Squad coward

Joshua learned many years ago Wilder Haymon and FInkel don't want the fight. They turned down $120m offer from Hearn. Wilder is nothing but a fraud.

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Joshua fought neither Fury nor Joshua. That should tell you enough. At least Wilder and Fury were able to make a deal. And, no, that 100m was not just to fight AJ but a multi-fight deal which may have led to an AJ fight and involved multiple stuff like broadcasting, sponsorships, etc. Even the DAZN head at that time admitted they messed up with the deal. The offer to AJ was legit, even Eddie confirmed that. Even if Wilder had agreed to a lump sum instead of a split, it would not have happened because AJ lost to Ruiz, because the deal was for Wilder to have 3 fights on DAZN, including a warm-up fight before taking on AJ. Those fights were Wilder vs Breazeale and AJ vs Ruiz. The deal heavily favored Joshua since he would have been paid more, gotten the sponsorships, and a part of the profit (since AJ and Eddie are investors in DAZN). The deal from Wilder's side was simple....have a 50-50 split, but Eddie and AJ refused that.

We have gone over these he-said-she-said dozens of times during 2018-2020. No point going over past stuff. What happened, happened, and it's only after the Saudis stepped in that fights got made, but neither AJ nor Wilder were able to retain their titles for us to have seen that fight.

And whatever the case was, the point I was making was that Wilder was dangerous then, not now. Irrespective of why that fight did not happen, it doesn't change the reality today. Wilder today is finished as a boxer and is only a fraction of what he used to be, whether or not you believe he ever was any good or dangerous.

joshua didnt fight himself? i think you mean wilder and no that doesnt tell us anything. it tells us he didnt fight them but not why. poor argument, especially since i just explained how and why the wilder fight didnt happen so you cant possibly use that as evidence agaisnt joshua. from the info i have seen fury didnt seem keen to take on joshua but i havent delved deep into that so lets put that aside. if you just want to go on resumes...joshuas is 10 times better than wilders which tells us he was more willing to take risks. joshua not fighting wilder is because wilder didnt want to take risks. thats a negative against wilder, not joshua.

no he never admitted that. he admitted the email was real. that does not mean the offer was real and we found out it wasnt real when wilder refused to send any contract which confirms he was bluffing.

joshua was way more popular than wilder so yeah that makes perfect sense. it wasnt a 50-50 fight. thats called pricing yourself out. aka ducking. you dont see that? its like benavidez saying i want 50-50 vs canelo. oh canelo doesnt agree canelo is ducking? umm no. also wilder had no possible way to make 100 million unless he fought joshua so yeah he made much less.

but its not he said she said. no false equivalencies please. wilder admitted the 100 million was real and said he was staying with pbc to be loyal. hearn and joshua admitted the wilder offer wasnt real when wilder didnt send it so yeah its literally the exact opposite. the fight only was signed when wilder was exposed and was ready to cash out, and then he still couldnt get to it being a heavy favorite to beat parker.

and my point is he was never very good. yeah im sure he was better but he never really beat anyone besides ortiz who was good but not special as well as 40 and wilder needed a very long break to recover, in fact he looked terrible in most of his fights actually. did you see the long line of bums they set him up with? when he stepped up in competition he was blown away easily. he was the definition of hype. they tried to cherry pick fury when he was at his worst and still should have lost that fight, when fury got his rhythm back he beat wilder easily twice, parker easily beat him, zhang easily. just non competitive bouts, similar to ortiz outboxing wilder cept these guys were better, werent as old, and were in better shape so he had no chance to catch him with his overrated power.

good fighters were wilders kryptonite.

[dannnnn]

The other day I heard someone say he might be fighting Ngannou next. Can't remember who said it so take it with a pinch of salt, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[niceyboo3]

Wilder Gots That African Power Running Through His Veins.

So does AJ

[Zelda]

Fury is still ducking Joshua. You weren't able to realize that?

Yes, wait till people are retired or semi-retired to start saying they are ducking. Why did Joshua not fight Wilder or Fury in 2018-2020? Why were Wilder and Fury able to negotiate, but both failed negotiations with AJ and Eddie?

Anyway, this is old stuff. Only Saudis are able to make any meaningful fights nowadays.

[Zelda]

joshua didnt fight himself? i think you mean wilder and no that doesnt tell us anything. it tells us he didnt fight them but not why. poor argument, especially since i just explained how and why the wilder fight didnt happen so you cant possibly use that as evidence agaisnt joshua. from the info i have seen fury didnt seem keen to take on joshua but i havent delved deep into that so lets put that aside. if you just want to go on resumes...joshuas is 10 times better than wilders which tells us he was more willing to take risks. joshua not fighting wilder is because wilder didnt want to take risks. thats a negative against wilder, not joshua.

no he never admitted that. he admitted the email was real. that does not mean the offer was real and we found out it wasnt real when wilder refused to send any contract which confirms he was bluffing.

joshua was way more popular than wilder so yeah that makes perfect sense. it wasnt a 50-50 fight. thats called pricing yourself out. aka ducking. you dont see that? its like benavidez saying i want 50-50 vs canelo. oh canelo doesnt agree canelo is ducking? umm no. also wilder had no possible way to make 100 million unless he fought joshua so yeah he made much less.

but its not he said she said. no false equivalencies please. wilder admitted the 100 million was real and said he was staying with pbc to be loyal. hearn and joshua admitted the wilder offer wasnt real when wilder didnt send it so yeah its literally the exact opposite. the fight only was signed when wilder was exposed and was ready to cash out, and then he still couldnt get to it being a heavy favorite to beat parker.

and my point is he was never very good. yeah im sure he was better but he never really beat anyone besides ortiz who was good but not special as well as 40 and wilder needed a very long break to recover, in fact he looked terrible in most of his fights actually. did you see the long line of bums they set him up with? when he stepped up in competition he was blown away easily. he was the definition of hype. they tried to cherry pick fury when he was at his worst and still should have lost that fight, when fury got his rhythm back he beat wilder easily twice, parker easily beat him, zhang easily. just non competitive bouts, similar to ortiz outboxing wilder cept these guys were better, werent as old, and were in better shape so he had no chance to catch him with his overrated power.

good fighters were wilders kryptonite.

Not sure if you were around at that time but promoters weren't really friendly or making big fights back then. Eddie did accept that the fight money was there against Wilder (its on Youtube but you will have to search it from the hundreds of interviews Eddie gives every year). The offer to Wilder was from DAZN and was to have these fights on DAZN by signing a deal with them. All sorts of contractual obligations/issues are associated with such deals, and it is more than just the boxer accepting the money. Wilder was with AL Haymon and PBC, with deals with Showtime. DAZN was a new platform that nobody knew would survive or not. The dynamics at that time were different from today.

No fight was signed with Wilder for the AJ fight. It was a possibility/discussion if Wilder had beaten Parker, which we know never happened, and it was not by Eddie but by the Saudis. That is what I said, that it took the Saudis to negotiate separately with each boxer to make big fights because the promoters were not able to do that before.

Yes, Wilder was never a great boxer but was still good enough to have KO'ed Joshua back in 2018-19.

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Yes, wait till people are retired or semi-retired to start saying they are ducking. Why did Joshua not fight Wilder or Fury in 2018-2020? Why were Wilder and Fury able to negotiate, but both failed negotiations with AJ and Eddie?

Fury has spent half his career retired or semi-retired.

Bold: Because Wilder and his team thought fat come-backing Fury was easy pickings in 2018 and Fury knew he could outbox Wilder even in that state.

If you can't see how Wilder was incredibly well protected, how Fury has always been careful and selective about his opponents when allowed and how Joshua fought everyone put in front of him, win or lose, then I don't know what to tell you.

[OffTheBack]

So does AJ

Wilder Is Dark Skinned. AJ is watered Down Cookies 'N Cream.

[Bennyleonard99]

Yes, wait till people are retired or semi-retired to start saying they are ducking. Why did Joshua not fight Wilder or Fury in 2018-2020? Why were Wilder and Fury able to negotiate, but both failed negotiations with AJ and Eddie?

Anyway, this is old stuff. Only Saudis are able to make any meaningful fights nowadays.

Because Haymon and Finkel believed their puppet fraud could beat Fatso Fury. But they knew Joshua would slaughter Wilder.

[Bennyleonard99]

Not sure if you were around at that time but promoters weren't really friendly or making big fights back then. Eddie did accept that the fight money was there against Wilder (its on Youtube but you will have to search it from the hundreds of interviews Eddie gives every year). The offer to Wilder was from DAZN and was to have these fights on DAZN by signing a deal with them. All sorts of contractual obligations/issues are associated with such deals, and it is more than just the boxer accepting the money. Wilder was with AL Haymon and PBC, with deals with Showtime. DAZN was a new platform that nobody knew would survive or not. The dynamics at that time were different from today.

No fight was signed with Wilder for the AJ fight. It was a possibility/discussion if Wilder had beaten Parker, which we know never happened, and it was not by Eddie but by the Saudis. That is what I said, that it took the Saudis to negotiate separately with each boxer to make big fights because the promoters were not able to do that before.

Yes, Wilder was never a great boxer but was still good enough to have KO'ed Joshua back in 2018-19.

Nonsense. If Haymon and Finkel had any confidence in their big bird legged fraud they would have accepted that $120m Hearn offer and fought Joshua. But instead they ran away and told lies. The truth about Wilder was revealed when he ducked mandatory Whyte for two years and got clobbered by a 45 year old China man.