Comments Thread For: Roy Jones Jnr admits Dmitry Bivol, Artur Beterbiev would have been tough opponents

[Oregonian]

Roy never faced anyone on their level ever at 175lb.

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So all the titles he won at 175 was against nondescript guys? Including plenty of HoF guys that he beat?
For almost 10 years Roy was the #1 P4P which according to you was just a farce.
Gotcha.

[Oregonian]

Roy would have ducked them both, just like he did Michalczewski....and Nigel Benn....and Gerald McClellan.

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So Roy was supposed to fight Michalczewski who never left Germany but Michalczewski did not travel to the US to fight Roy.
Yes that makes a lot of sense.

[MalevolentBite]

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So all the titles he won at 175 was against nondescript guys? Including plenty of HoF guys that he beat?
For almost 10 years Roy was the #1 P4P which according to you was just a farce.
Gotcha.

Roy admitted he was washed up when he faced Tarver. Mike McCallum and an older Hill are the only major names he fought in his prime at 175lb.

I will give you the James toney fight at Middleweight as a creditable win ( for hall of famers prior) but I will not give you the 22-1 hopkins win because at that time hopkins wasnt the same hopkins that grew and learned as he got older and achieved greatness later on in his career. He is rare case of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.

For my mental health I will not open that can of worms again if you want to count the hopkins win at Middleweight fine we can agree to disagredisagree.

Thats all Roy had in his prime. 4 names and one full time New York Police officer.

For me personally I think his career would had been better if he fought Tarver his mandatory before the Ruiz and found a way to fight Dariusz Michalczewski.

but i am fair i cast the same judgement on alot of American fighters post 1997. Roy couldn't help that he was in a weak era and his era was weak!

[Oregonian]

Roy admitted he was washed up when he faced Tarver. Mike McCallum and an older Hill are the only major names he fought in his prime at 175lb.

I will give you the James toney fight at Middleweight as a creditable win ( for hall of famers prior) but I will not give you the 22-1 hopkins win because at that time hopkins wasnt the same hopkins that grew and learned as he got older and achieved greatness later on in his career. He is rare case of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.

For my mental health I will not open that can of worms again if you want to count the hopkins win at Middleweight fine we can agree to disagredisagree.

Thats all Roy had in his prime. 4 names and one full time New York Police officer.

For me personally I think his career would had been better if he fought Tarver his mandatory before the Ruiz and found a way to fight Dariusz Michalczewski.

but i am fair i cast the same judgement on alot of American fighters post 1997. Roy couldn't help that he was in a weak era and his era was weak!

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Roy was 36 when he fought Tarver. Admitting he was washed is something we all knew.

Like you said, it’s not his fault that the 175 division was weak but he did beat pretty much everyone available not to mention he won titles in 4 weight classes.

This thing about Hopkins being green is a silly argument. The same is said about Canelo being “green” when he fought Floyd. Hopkins was 22-1 and Roy was 21-0. They were both equally “green” and Roy beat him. Period.
I find it funny that Pacqiao has two primes. When he fought at 126 and when he moved up to 147. Any other time frame, he was either green or past his prime even though he beat Thurman when he was “past” his prime.

My take on Michalzewski is like 99% of boxing fans. I had never heard of him until the ducking accusations started flying out. Nobody knew of him except maybe in Germany.

[Pac=Duran]

I think eventually we saw that for all of Roy’s gifts he didn’t have a great chin.

That would be bad against Beterbiev.

Against Bivol I could see him winning on points.

Yeah I think prime Roy vs Prime Artur would have been a ****ing HELL of a fight. Roy would have needed to be on his toes all night. i still fancy him to get the job done though.

[MalevolentBite]

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Roy was 36 when he fought Tarver. Admitting he was washed is something we all knew.

Like you said, it’s not his fault that the 175 division was weak but he did beat pretty much everyone available not to mention he won titles in 4 weight classes.

This thing about Hopkins being green is a silly argument. The same is said about Canelo being “green” when he fought Floyd. Hopkins was 22-1 and Roy was 21-0. They were both equally “green” and Roy beat him. Period.
I find it funny that Pacqiao has two primes. When he fought at 126 and when he moved up to 147. Any other time frame, he was either green or past his prime even though he beat Thurman when he was “past” his prime.

My take on Michalzewski is like 99% of boxing fans. I had never heard of him until the ducking accusations started flying out. Nobody knew of him except maybe in Germany.

Ok since you just introduced a measuring stick and you used canelo as the "stick" . Lets be objective.

Canelo was 42-0-1 so he had double the pro fights of Hopkins. Canelo was also the unified light middleweight champion and he also held the ring belt at 154.

Hopkins After serving almost five years, Hopkins was released from prison in 1988. 5 years later he fought Roy Jones. I am just saying thats a major learning curve. Yes Jones had 20 + fights but look at all the ameture experience he had over a 28 year old hopkins who was in prison for 5+ years. I am just putting it in context. That canelo argument really made no sense. You cant be a green unified champion who was also a ring magazine belt. Hopkins never held a major belt before that Jones fight. Yes he was highly ranked by the IBF but I can see how he was a late bloomer once you put it in context.

Like I said before we can agree to disagree but Roy Jones resume isn't the best.

I never put importance on that people who move up and claim belts. Its the four belt era anyone can do that now. If their was only one belt per division people like Broner and Cotto would never be multiple division winners. Let's keep it a buck. If the heavyweight division only had one belt Roy Jones would had got laid out by any legit heavyweight champion. Thats why he didn't stay at heavyweight. He picked the weakest champion.

He looked good in the ring against nobodies but he never looked good in many of his higher level fights. That toney fight was trash and that first hopkins fight was trash. Ruiz fight was also trash. That Tarver 1 fight was actually pretty entertaining.

[SouthpawRight]

Artur lack of speed would cost him against the lightning quick Roy

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Beterbiev loses 12-0 and Bivol gets stopped in a one sided beatdown. People forget how good Roy was. I think Andre Ward beats both too tbh. Both are very good fighters but not ATG’s. Beterbiev potentially was in his younger days but never had the opposition to prove it. Bivol has become overrated IMO.

[SouthpawRight]

Beterbiev loses 12-0 and Bivol gets stopped in a one sided beatdown. People forget how good Roy was. I think Andre Ward beats both too tbh. Both are very good fighters but not ATG’s. Beterbiev potentially was in his younger days but never had the opposition to prove it. Bivol has become overrated IMO.

other way around

Bivol has a significantly better defense and chin than Artur who been put on his ass twice being hurt in one instance by Roy’s favorite left hook

Bivol has the better jab and is a cautious defensively minded who would see the final bell

Artur would be coming forward all night until he’s hurt and unable to

Bivol can juggle between forwards and backwards

[MalevolentBite]

Beterbiev loses 12-0 and Bivol gets stopped in a one sided beatdown. People forget how good Roy was. I think Andre Ward beats both too tbh. Both are very good fighters but not ATG’s. Beterbiev potentially was in his younger days but never had the opposition to prove it. Bivol has become overrated IMO.

I think Ward could hold off Beterbiev. Ward vs Bivol would be ugly style fight to watch. Ward would hold every time Bivol started to land two hit combos. Ward is strong on the clinch.