Comments Thread For: Dubois Dips: Is it ever okay to accuse a fighter of quitting?

[Moz_boxing]

You don't throw the towel in unless your fighter is getting absolutely battered a lot and can't fight back.

Also, the ref doesn't have to recognise the towel either, he can throw it back or ignore it. But yes, Dubois was well beaten, not saying he wasn't.

He's an excellent puncher, doesn't have the best chin or high ring IQ, but already got a lot out of boxing.

I think Dubios has an incredible chin, he just does not have the mental toughness to capatilize it. Saw Dubios taking super hard punches from Heavyweights and he never really seemed out of it. Compare that to AJ or just boxers in general they wobble around the ring or going completely out but Dubios is different he goes down because he mentally checks out and he chooses to stay down even if he could continue. Look at Fury how he wobbled from one rope to another refusing to go down.

[landotter]

Different people have different levels of resilience and this can vary from moment to moment. I try to avoid criticizing fighters in these moments.

Dubois was outclassed and punished in both fights. Even if he got up again, he was only going to continue to get outclassed and punished.

Yeah, I think most boxing fans will see it this way. He was done. If he decided he was done, the corner did, or if the ref had, it did not matter. He was done. Had he beat the count, the ref allowed it to continue, and his corner kept the towel in the corner, Usyk would have shown he was done fairly quickly. It was the right decision for DuBois regardless who made it. It was made with no real damage to the man. (I hope), so great win for Usyk and DuBois can take some time and try again.

Unless he is done......

[57Blues]

there was a time in boxing when to even give the hint of surrender was something that the fighter himself could not live with--- > when is it OK to No MAS IT ? i dont know i always thought that Duran just said this is going nowhere i came here to fight not to dance the night away but look how people still react to his name being mentioned they go back to Sugar two and kick some dirt. there is something in most fighters that would rather die then quit ............ then there are a few others...just like some fight fans understand a knee or a corner mutual decission but others just like a guy that says give me one more round just one more round and backs it up with an intese three minutes and turns the table on the other guy.

[chicken-]

Yes, when you're making millions of dollars for a fight that defines your legacy.

[paulf]

Sergio Mora said he had no heart after he quit again.

I agree with Sergio.

[Left Hook Louie]

Yeah, I think most boxing fans will see it this way. He was done. If he decided he was done, the corner did, or if the ref had, it did not matter. He was done. Had he beat the count, the ref allowed it to continue, and his corner kept the towel in the corner, Usyk would have shown he was done fairly quickly. It was the right decision for DuBois regardless who made it. It was made with no real damage to the man. (I hope), so great win for Usyk and DuBois can take some time and try again.

Unless he is done......

Quitting - or otherwise refusing to stay in a fight - is understandably seen by many as a violation of a code of conduct and a mark of shame. As spectators we crave the emphatic (and cathartic) final blows that render even a defeated fighter - for all intents and purposes - completely defenseless and unable to physically respond. Somehow this kind of ending is seen as something owed to us. Who doesn't want to see an ending so definitive that we can walk away with our bloodlust completely satisfied? The vicarious warriors in us crave it. I admit to that as well.

But it's boxing, not a knife fight to the death. DuBois showed up and took hard leather to the face over and over and over until he literally got put down on the canvas twice. It wasn't going to get better for him after that, and the boxing match had been decided, and conclusively so, at that point. That's my two cents. No shame for DuBois at all.

[Southpaw16]

Quitting - or otherwise refusing to stay in a fight - is understandably seen by many as a violation of a code of conduct and a mark of shame. As spectators we crave the emphatic (and cathartic) final blows that render even a defeated fighter - for all intents and purposes - completely defenseless and unable to physically respond. Somehow this kind of ending is seen as something owed to us. Who doesn't want to see an ending so definitive that we can walk away with our bloodlust completely satisfied? The vicarious warriors in us crave it. I admit to that as well.

But it's boxing, not a knife fight to the death. DuBois showed up and took hard leather to the face over and over and over until he literally got put down on the canvas twice. It wasn't going to get better for him after that, and the boxing match had been decided, and conclusively so, at that point. That's my two cents. No shame for DuBois at all.

I agree completely. He could have stayed in there but he wasn’t going to win the fight and was taking massive shots.

[puroylan]

Give the young lad a break. It's the right thing to do. He's taken massive shots from the best CW and HW of this era. Usyk is highly intelligent and knew how to put his punches together. Watching Dubois taking deep breaths while being counted by ref was enough to say he's done and cannot receive anymore punishment. He's young and live to fight another day and possibly become a 2X champion...but when Usyk is done fighting

[Roberto Vasquez]

I feel like if there is 25% chance a fighter quit then fans will jump on him and say he quit. That's what people are like these days, just want to put everyone down because they know they could never do what these guys do in the ring.

There are clear cases when someone quit but if its just a possibility then leave the guy alone.

I wanted Usyk to win but I didn't feel Dubois quit. He took a recovery rest and then started getting up at 8. Then ref couldn't wait to wave him off. We didn't see if his legs gave way while he was standing. Yes he *may* have quit but I feel there is more chance he didn't.

I was same with Joshua in Ruiz fight . He literally said "Yes" when ref asked if he wanted to continue and had even tried to buy time by spitting out his mouth piece (classic pro move). But no apparently he quit because that's what people want to be true.