Who is greater all time: Floyd or Usyk?

[MalevolentBite]

travestyny Here we go lol. Now we are comparing floyd to a heavyweight lol. Coverdale

[MalevolentBite]

Anywhere where floyd is mentioned here comes DJ throwing Shade lol.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I think Usyk takes this one.. 3x undisputed world champ.

[travestyny]

travestyny Here we go lol. Now we are comparing floyd to a heavyweight lol. Coverdale

Not "we." I saw this and pulled a.....

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[JimRaynor]

These threads are getting ridiculous, and quite frankly will cause undo hate for Usyk.

[Ry92]

When Floyd was pretty boy Floyd that resume alone defines his legacy for money Mayweather everything was rigged from weight clauses to waiting until offensive style fighters age lose a step before fighting

[Toffee]

Are you saying because hes the best big guy? ****ing Del Boy or Lucas Browne or some **** would probably beat the best p4p guys too, i'm not sure its all that impressive really. P4P exists for a reason.

Besides, if we are going with the "if they had an openweight tournament" argument, you might as well go one step further and make it open rules too, in which case Usyk is getting his **** pushed in by random none top 10 MMA fighters and kickboxers. So the whole king of the mountain thing doesnt mean much.

P4P exists to level the playing field. Most professional sports don't do that - with the exception of creating categories for gender. They simply acknowledge the best.

It certainly doesn't exist for Usyk's benefit. He doesn't need any leveling of the playing field. He is simply the best boxer in the world. He could possibly have drained himself and dropped down a division or two in his early career if he wanted to be a P4P legend sweeping up a few more weight classes... but why would he do that when his aim was to be the best?

I respect the achievements of the guys in the lower weight divisions, but moving up divisions is not the sole mark of success within the sport.

When comparing achievements, I don't think you can disregard the fact that one of them is actually the best in the world.

[TMLT87]

P4P exists to level the playing field. Most professional sports don't do that - with the exception of creating categories for gender. They simply acknowledge the best.

It certainly doesn't exist for Usyk's benefit. He doesn't need any leveling of the playing field. He is simply the best boxer in the world. He could possibly have drained himself and dropped down a division or two in his early career if he wanted to be a P4P legend sweeping up a few more weight classes... but why would he do that when his aim was to be the best?

I respect the achievements of the guys in the lower weight divisions, but moving up divisions is not the sole mark of success within the sport.

When comparing achievements, I don't think you can disregard the fact that one of them is actually the best in the world.

Would you agree that the level of competition is usually significantly higher in the lower weight classes though? i'd say most of the talent in boxing is concentrated between 135-160. That means the average level of skill and athleticism of the guys you face is going to be higher, which means its more difficult to succeed there than somewhere like HW, hence why p4p exists.

I get where you're coming from regarding Usyk in absolute terms being the best boxer, as in he would beat everyone else due to being the best big man, but I dont think that holds as much weight in boxing as it would in something like MMA which is more geared towards that kind of concept.

[hugh grant]

When comparing achievements, I don't think you can disregard the fact that one of them is actually the best in the world.

yes, usyk is literally unbeatabke. Floyd was only unbeatable with gift decisions fighting in backyard, and only if he didn't fight ggg at 160, or Nelo without a cw, whilst green without rematches, etc etc You suggest floyd give rematch, you were greeted with either sarcasm, or excuses.?
I don't see a way floyd can be as great as usyk. Usyk literally done everything. Floyd never did anything you wanted him, whether it fight outside backyard, give rematch, or fight toughest available

[Toffee]

Would you agree that the level of competition is usually significantly higher in the lower weight classes though? i'd say most of the talent in boxing is concentrated between 135-160. That means the average level of skill and athleticism of the guys you face is going to be higher, which means its more difficult to succeed there than somewhere like HW, hence why p4p exists.

I get where you're coming from regarding Usyk in absolute terms being the best boxer, as in he would beat everyone else due to being the best big man, but I dont think that holds as much weight in boxing as it would in something like MMA which is more geared towards that kind of concept.

The athleticism and speed is obviously greater in the lower classes. Often it's better to watch (personally I think it peaks around super middleweight).

But the depth of competition argument just speaks to there being more people in that category. The average man is about 5'8... which is roughly Floyd's category. Combat sports recognise that and we're obviously glad that they do, whereas other sports simply acknowledge exceptionalism. Floyd was great in a big pool, but only in his pool, not in total terms.

No-one argues that Usain Bolt was only good because he was 6'5. There would have been better height-for-height or P4P sprinters... but it doesn't make them better.

When talking about the greatest, the absolute greatest... you don't bring Mayweather into that conversation.