If Wilder does all this, is he the Goat?

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  • Nash out
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    #1

    If Wilder does all this, is he the Goat?

    Wins his comeback fight, then...

    Beats his long-time rival Anthony Joshua in one of the biggest fights still in boxing.
    Avenges loss to Zhang
    Avenges loss to Parker
    Finally beats Tyson Fury, luring him out of retirement with a lifetime's supply of uncastrated wild boar
    Beats Joe Joyce
    Beats Daniel Dubois
    Beats Boogeyman Bakole
    Beats Usyk

    3 fights a year, 3 years to GOAT status, Then retires as the One name, one face. Nash out - His Majesty
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    #2
    What if Andy Ruiz did it first?

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    • IronDanHamza
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      #3
      It's like asking if Dave Allen does all of that is he GOAT? Yeah possibly but he won't.

      Deontay Wilder lost every round to "Average" Joe Parker.....What more needs to be said? If you can't beat Average Joe Parker then who really can you beat that's elite?

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        #4
        Originally posted by lizard_man
        What if Andy Ruiz did it first?
        Maybe Wilder vs Ruiz after Wilder's next fight to decide who gets this run of fights? Nash out - His Majesty

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          #5
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          It's like asking if Dave Allen does all of that is he GOAT? Yeah possibly but he won't.

          Deontay Wilder lost every round to "Average" Joe Parker.....What more needs to be said? If you can't beat Average Joe Parker then who really can you beat that's elite?
          Wilder stated that he had bad injuries for the Parker and Zhang fights. If he could win his next fight, then Joshua, then Zhang, he'd be deserving of a second crack at Parker. Nash out - His Majesty

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            #6
            Originally posted by Nash out

            Wilder stated that he had bad injuries for the Parker and Zhang fights. If he could win his next fight, then Joshua, then Zhang, he'd be deserving of a second crack at Parker. Nash out - His Majesty
            Wilder fought both Parker and Zhang with a broken arm

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              Nah.

              Usyk couldn't handle a prime Wladimir, let alone a prime Vitali.

              Fury and Joshua beat an aged Wlad and people are acting like we're in the heavyweight golden era.

              Wilder, Fury, Usyk, Joshua. Dubois.... fun era, but ATGs these guys not.

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                #8
                Originally posted by paulf
                Nah.

                Usyk couldn't handle a prime Wladimir, let alone a prime Vitali.

                Fury and Joshua beat an aged Wlad and people are acting like we're in the heavyweight golden era.

                Wilder, Fury, Usyk, Joshua. Dubois.... fun era, but ATGs these guys not.
                I think that Vitali could hold his own and be a tough night's work for anyone in history, that being said, his era was far weaker than this one, and losing to Lewis, via a cut, which I believe he woud have won that fight otherwise, and there is a huge element of luck when it comes to cuts, still counts against him, though, in a slightly lesser way as it's well known Lewis ducked the rematch, so it's 1-1 in my mind, that being said, that he couldn't just stand up for 3 more rounds vs the feather-fisted Byrd, and took the loss, is a huge black mark against him.

                It can also be said that Usyk beat a massively declining Fury, who due to his lifestyle is like a man 10-15 years older than his actual age. His speed is half what it was, as is his stamina, so there are always a lot of ifs, buts, and maybe's with every era, even coming down to results had they fought at different times. Take all of Holyfield's (1 man) fights away from the 90s era and hardly anyone fought anyone. Tyson in prison, and Bowe was too busy putting belts in the bin to fight anyone but Holyfield.

                This era has suffered from Wilder and Joshua not fighting when they were unbeaten. At that time I think Wilder would have smoked Joshua, style wise he was all wrong for him. Not sure who'd win now though. Joshua vs Fury should have happened as well. Nash out - His Majesty

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by NihonJim

                  Wilder fought both Parker and Zhang with a broken arm
                  Yeah you Usyk hater. Wilder is healthy only when he fights bums.
                  Last edited by JakeTheBoxer; 06-06-2025, 10:40 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

                    Yeah you Usyk hater. Wilder is healthy only when he fights bums.
                    I don't hate Usyk I just don't knob gobble him for his mediocre wins over massively over hyped brits.

                    Historically as a heavyweight Usyk has done nothing special, I'd pick every top 25 ATG heavyweight to beat fury and AJ and in better fashion than Usyk managed.
                    Last edited by NihonJim; 06-06-2025, 11:25 PM.

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