Comments Thread For: Angelo Leo ready to expose flaws in Naoya Inoue and Rafael Espinoza

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Tom Ivers speaks to Angelo Leo's father and trainer Miguel about Angelo's potential
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[BoxerFreddy]

Please unify... enough with the 4 champions at every weight class. we should start calling them co-champions or something as they are all "tied" at 1 belt each....

[famicommander]

He's got nothing for Inoue but I'd pick him to beat Espinoza's overrated ass.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Doesn't he want to avenge that loss to Fulton, before Fulton moves up again.

[famicommander]

Doesn't he want to avenge that loss to Fulton, before Fulton moves up again.

Fulton is probably moving up next no matter what. He has shown no interest in a Leo rematch and is probably fighting Foster at 130 in his next fight.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Fulton is probably moving up next no matter what. He has shown no interest in a Leo rematch and is probably fighting Foster at 130 in his next fight.

That's a good fight, Fulton v Foster. Very technical affair, no doubt.

But IMO it says something that Leo's not even mentioning the name and saying he wants redemption. And, specifically what it says is that he wants the money fight, and will fight for a paycheck, not a win, if he gets the fight he wants. Fulton already lost to Inoue. If you can't even bring yourself to want to redeem your loss vs one of his defeated opponents, how can we believe he's going to come to fight vs the Monster?

[famicommander]

That's a good fight, Fulton v Foster. Very technical affair, no doubt.

But IMO it says something that Leo's not even mentioning the name and saying he wants redemption. And, specifically what it says is that he wants the money fight, and will fight for a paycheck, not a win, if he gets the fight he wants. Fulton already lost to Inoue. If you can't even bring yourself to want to redeem your loss vs one of his defeated opponents, how can we believe he's going to come to fight vs the Monster?

Styles make fights, what a nonsense thing to say. Leo is never, ever going to have the footwork or timing to deal with a guy like Fulton. Their fight was a 12 rounds to 0 affair and the result would be the same if they fought again.

But Inoue fights entirely differently than Fulton does. Just because Inoue dominated Fulton doesn't mean Leo has no chance against him. Fulton is a much, much better fighter than Ramon Cardenas, for example, but Cardenas did much better against Inoue because his style is much more conducive to that kind of fight.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Styles make fights, what a nonsense thing to say. Leo is never, ever going to have the footwork or timing to deal with a guy like Fulton. Their fight was a 12 rounds to 0 affair and the result would be the same if they fought again.

But Inoue fights entirely differently than Fulton does. Just because Inoue dominated Fulton doesn't mean Leo has no chance against him. Fulton is a much, much better fighter than Ramon Cardenas, for example, but Cardenas did much better against Inoue because his style is much more conducive to that kind of fight.

Ok, guy. You threw out a whole lot of buzzwords but had literally zero technical details in there. Feel free to elaborate. Never going to have the timing? Thar kind of statement tells me you have never been in the gym, let alone the ring. Timing is specific to the opponent. The more familiar you are with the opponent and their timing and rhythm, the easier it gets to time them. Anyone can be timed, although it's much, much harder when you're on the wrong side of a speed or reach differential, for instance. And if the Fulton that showed up in his 126 debut vs Castro is the one who turns up, that's a very different proposition than the one who beat Leo before. Fighters aren't always perfectly consistent. You can have a flat day and have it affect your performance in a big way. You might still win, but anyone who's ever trained in pretty much anything has had off days, and sometimes that happens on the day you really need your best performance.

As for styles make fights, one of the things that makes Inoue special is that he has faced pretty much every style. Donaire, Fulton, Butler, Narváez, Cardenas, Tapales etc represent a wide range of styles, for instance, but Inoue makes the adjustments and virtually every fight ends up looking like an Inoue fight, not a Butler fight or a Donaire fight or a Fulton fight, etc. When you can impose your own style on any kind of opponent, you're a truly generational fighter. If you want to insist that Leo has a better chance vs Inoue than vs Fulton because "styles make fights", it's a bizarre hill to die on, but you do you.

[famicommander]

Ok, guy. You threw out a whole lot of buzzwords but had literally zero technical details in there. Feel free to elaborate. Never going to have the timing? Thar kind of statement tells me you have never been in the gym, let alone the ring. Timing is specific to the opponent. The more familiar you are with the opponent and their timing and rhythm, the easier it gets to time them. Anyone can be timed, although it's much, much harder when you're on the wrong side of a speed or reach differential, for instance. And if the Fulton that showed up in his 126 debut vs Castro is the one who turns up, that's a very different proposition than the one who beat Leo before. Fighters aren't always perfectly consistent. You can have a flat day and have it affect your performance in a big way. You might still win, but anyone who's ever trained in pretty much anything has had off days, and sometimes that happens on the day you really need your best performance.

As for styles make fights, one of the things that makes Inoue special is that he has faced pretty much every style. Donaire, Fulton, Butler, Narváez, Cardenas, Tapales etc represent a wide range of styles, for instance, but Inoue makes the adjustments and virtually every fight ends up looking like an Inoue fight, not a Butler fight or a Donaire fight or a Fulton fight, etc. When you can impose your own style on any kind of opponent, you're a truly generational fighter. If you want to insist that Leo has a better chance vs Inoue than vs Fulton because "styles make fights", it's a bizarre hill to die on, but you do you.

What a ridiculous word salad you just vomited up to justify your nonsense usage of a triangle theory.

[crimsonfalcon07]

What a ridiculous word salad you just vomited up to justify your nonsense usage of a triangle theory.

Still avoiding any kind of technical details, I see. You don't have anything other than your statistics and buzzwords? You're usually better than that. And completely misusing triangle theory. Saying that Leo should want to avenge his loss and that Fulton is an easier fight than Inoue is not even remotely the same thing as saying "A beat B, and B beat C, so A beats C." Come on, fami. You're better than that.