Who wins: Oleksandr Usyk vs Prime Larry Holmes

[SouthpawRight]

Is it really relevant 18 years later?

Do you think Shawn Porter would still beat Usyk too? Same timeframe…

It’s a major reach.

vulnerabilities as amateur can carryon into the pros

Buff Guy Joshua was ko’d in amateurs then ko’d again as pro

Amir was chinny amateur

am I reaching yes. But I have reason to believe Usyk body IS NOT TITANIUM

I believe he’d get got by the great body punching heavyweights who proved their greatness in better era than Usyk’s

[joseph5620]

Holmes would beat Usyk without much trouble. Too many people don't realize how great Larry Holmes was.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

vulnerabilities as amateur can carryon into the pros

Buff Guy Joshua was ko’d in amateurs then ko’d again as pro

Amir was chinny amateur

am I reaching yes. But I have reason to believe Usyk body IS NOT TITANIUM

I believe he’d get got by the great body punching heavyweights who proved their greatness in better era than Usyk’s

Again though, is an isolated incident really relevant 18 years later?

6 months earlier Usyk lost to Shawn Porter. Imagine they fought now. That’s how absurd the comparisons back to the Beterbiev fight are.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Holmes would beat Usyk without much trouble. Too many people don't realize how great Larry Holmes was.

A lot lesser fighters than Usyk gave Holmes problems. I’d lean towards Holmes too but I don’t think he wins easily.

[SouthpawRight]

Again though, is an isolated incident really relevant 18 years later?

6 months earlier Usyk lost to Shawn Porter. Imagine they fought now. That’s how absurd the comparisons back to the Beterbiev fight are.

of course

Shawn would be severely outsized

As pros Usyk is a bonafide great while Shawn is good

but Shawn does clue into the pressure style [almost always comes with body attacks] having success vs Usyk.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

of course

Shawn would be severely outsized

As pros Usyk is a bonafide great while Shawn is good

but Shawn does clue into the pressure style [almost always comes with body attacks] having success vs Usyk.

It’s clearly not relevant.

When fighters reach a certain level of greatness people become delusional when looking for “weaknesses”.

It’s like people bringing up Spadafora schooling Mayweather in sparring which apparently proved he struggled with southpaws.

[SouthpawRight]

It’s clearly not relevant.

When fighters reach a certain level of greatness people become delusional when looking for “weaknesses”.

It’s like people bringing up Spadafora schooling Mayweather in sparring which apparently proved he struggled with southpaws.

not at all you can be great with flaws

Naoya has a decent but not good defense. Having had his face broken

Floyd and Bivol have glass hands

Usyk is still great even with questions around his body durability

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

not at all you can be great with flaws

Naoya has a decent but not good defense. Having had his face broken

Floyd and Bivol have glass hands

Usyk is still great even with questions around his body durability

There isn’t any relevant evidence to suggest Usyk is vulnerable to the body. If the best people can come up with is an 18 year old amateur fight it really does say a lot. It’s a desperate reach.

[joseph5620]

A lot lesser fighters than Usyk gave Holmes problems. I’d lean towards Holmes too but I don’t think he wins easily.

A lot lesser fighters than Holmes gave Usyk problems too. That's not how it works.

[garfios]

Thanks fer the comedy fellers. BS always delivers!!!

- - So Elite that Duane Bobick knocked him out of the US Olympic Tourney in spite of being tutored by Ali. Amateur, count as amateur. Bobick got sparked by a 20 yo Stevenson,

So Elite that his was the Giant SUCKING Sound that followed the retirements of Ali, Norton, Frazier, and Foreman. Tough act to follow, he did manage to defend the belt like 20 times,

So Elite that Bobick notched a Ring Ranking before Tubby Lar who was still skinny then. Still, he lost to Norton and Norton to Holmes.

So Elite that he chose to fight Bobick's alcoholic younger Brother Rodney rather than Duane. He didn't choose and Bobick was out of the picture by then, he was knocked out by Norton and Holmes fought Ken Norton for the belt.

So Elite that he was 23-0 fighting 5-1 totally unknown 5-1 Horace Robinson, https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/277, buried deep in the Young/Foreman undercard in Puerto Rico. Like every boxer before he gets an opportunity

So Elite that his jealously over 4rd Celebrity fighter 350lb ButterBean making bigger purses with more fans than Lar challenged him into a fight buried deep in the undercard. I don't know where you get this jealousy from, so I can't reply to this

So Elite that he ran from ButterBean for 10 rounds while Bean was laughing at Tubby Lar for the whole fight. If Eric couldn't catch up with a 53 yo fighter, what can you say?

So Elite that Bean knocks him down in the closing seconds of the 10th where embarrassed Tubby Lar jumps up to ride the ropes to the other corner while fleeing the Ref's Count for his last moment in boxing, I think he was 53yo when he fought Eric
And he beat Ken Norton*, Tim Witherspoon*, BoneCrush Smith*, Gerry Cooney, Mr. Snipes, Leon*, Berbick*, weaver*, Shavers, Mercer*. I'm not counting Ali because he was in decline, all others were in their prime. The names with the asterisks were Champs in the HW division at one time or another, some of them HOF fighters, I forgot he fought Holyfield and Michael Spinks too.