Let's be honest.... The "SUPER SIX" just are not that good!!

[-Antonio-]

I like AA, Kessler, Dirrell a lot. I think they are very talented and all have potential to be p4p in the near future. Ward has to prove himself. I still don't think froch is special but he finds a way to win.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Dirrell is VERY talented. People may not have liked his style but he is on to something. With the right trainer he'd go far. I'm sticking to what I said, Dirrell doesn't care about putting on a good show (Much like Mayweather) and that's what makes him a dangrous opponent, I'm still gonna say; AA ain't touching Dirrell.

[Al Haymon]

I think it was a great idea and I beg to differ about these fighters being middle of the pack fighters. These are todays world class fighters. Flawed but still world class. You can't expect everybody to be a once in a lifetime type talent.

The list of fighters you named in your second list is a dream scenario. It's like saying todays Welterweights are ordinary compared to Leonard, Hearns, Trinidad, De La Hoya, Benitez and Quartey......uh no ****.

1) Are these even the six best SMW's?

2) My ribs are hurting @ your list of welterweights.

3) isn't that essentially what is said on here about WW's as "justification"?

[Al Haymon]

Dirrell is VERY talented. People may not have liked his style but he is on to something. With the right trainer he'd go far. I'm sticking to what I said, Dirrell doesn't care about putting on a good show (Much like Mayweather) and that's what makes him a dangrous opponent, I'm still gonna say; AA ain't touching Dirrell.

The difference between Dirrell and mayweather, though is vast. And the biggest delta relates to toughness and grit.

When Hatton tried his mauling tactics w/ Floyd, FMJ gave it right back to him and fought tougher and dirtier than Ricky. So much so, that the British fans have been crying like babies ever since.

Dirrell kept turning to the ref looking for a bailout, and I really didn't like that. I DO think AD is very talented. I definitely acknowledge that point. But he needs to get Kronk-ized. That kid needs so gymwars.


Refer back to the middle rounds when the tide of the bout started to shift, and see how much whining he was doing. Don't count on the ref. Do your job.

[Al Haymon]

I like AA, Kessler, Dirrell a lot. I think they are very talented and all have potential to be p4p in the near future. Ward has to prove himself. I still don't think froch is special but he finds a way to win.

Froch is confident and consistent. He is Haugen-like or Baldomir-like in that way. You have to bring a steady game to beat him. If Dirrell had another year, and maybe a few more championship rounds under his belt, he would have beaten Froch.

Froch does seem to be the best dresser of the bunch, though. The jacket he wore to the weigh-in was smooth.

[oldgringo]

1) Are these even the six best SMW's?

2) My ribs are hurting @ your list of welterweights.

3) isn't that essentially what is said on here about WW's as "justification"?

I think they're all good fighters who bring different positive things to the table (negative in Dirrell's case). This tourney is nice because of the clash of styles, experience and the backgrounds of each participant.

Even if 4 out of 6 are the best SMW's around we are getting to see a substantial improvement in match making. Who else is there who would be significantly better than the guys currently involved? Bute? Andrade?

[Doctor_Tenma]

The difference between Dirrell and mayweather, though is vast. And the biggest delta relates to toughness and grit.

When Hatton tried his mauling tactics w/ Floyd, FMJ gave it right back to him and fought tougher and dirtier than Ricky. So much so, that the British fans have been crying like babies ever since.

Dirrell kept turning to the ref looking for a bailout, and I really didn't like that. I DO think AD is very talented. I definitely acknowledge that point. But he needs to get Kronk-ized. That kid needs so gymwars.


Refer back to the middle rounds when the tide of the bout started to shift, and see how much whining he was doing. Don't count on the ref. Do your job.

Yeah I hate to see a boxer complain to the ref. Dirrell took the lose well and I'm sure he will improve on his inside fighting. P4P, Mayweather would have eaten Froch on the inside. Just think that someone who isn't about putting on a show is very dangrous.

Who you see winning The Super Six?

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

The difference between Dirrell and mayweather, though is vast. And the biggest delta relates to toughness and grit.

I was gonna say the exact same thing in another thread, but forgot.

Mayweather's toughness is hugely overlooked. When called on by Roger to stand in with Castillo in the late rounds of their first fight, while tired and worn down, the willingness, aptitude and stoicism he showed in doing so was impressive, and he got good work done there, under pressure. That one always stuck in my mind, but there are many other examples of Floyd's grit standing up to another's imposing physicality if you care to summon them to mind.

When Hatton tried his mauling tactics w/ Floyd, FMJ gave it right back to him and fought tougher and dirtier than Ricky. So much so, that the British fans have been crying like babies ever since.

^^^ This is one such example.

[Al Haymon]

Who else is there who would be significantly better than the guys currently involved? Bute? Andrade?

...Green. It would be fascinating to see Williams (who has talked as if he already owns 168) step up and commit to something like that.

...but I can't be mad at Pav-Will.

I just do not think it is compelling to see Jermain going forward. I'm concerned for his health, and he is a non-factor for the balance of the tourney.

Is the format right?... Or would you hav rather seen 8 participants in a single elimination?

Group A

Bute
Dirrell
Kessler
Green


Group B

Abraham
Froch
Ward
Andrade


And see that played out as quarterfinals, semifinals and then the winner of each group fights in a "Finals"

[Al Haymon]

Just think that someone who isn't about putting on a show is very dangrous.

Who you see winning The Super Six?

1) Yes, I agree. However, AD isn't going to be commercial if he doesn't entertain more. And i'm sure he wants to make money.

2) I'm unimpressed by AA. Really am. I do appreciate that he came to the ring last night dressed like a Medieval Pimp. And he is eager and willing to fight in America. I respect that.

But he is so easily outboxed, that he is going to come against someone who will shut him out. Literally. Like Winky did Tito.

That being said, i gotta go with Kessler. But I remember Kessler being a bit hurt in round 8/9-ish by calzaghe. And if Joe calzaghe hurts you, then AA will re-align your family tree.

13-0 Saints... I'm about to throw up.