Comments Thread For: Joe Joyce needs a win to say all the things he cannot

[BoxingUpdates]

There comes a time in every fighter?s life when they are judged less on how they fight and more on how they sound.?
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[Butt stuff]

Just a reminder on any article that praises Barry McGuigan; the fact he has spoken here about leaving boxing early before his health left him, makes it even worse that he robs his own fighters.

Sued for £6m by Frampton, he lied and said 10,000 emails had been deleted. When the evidence had been discovered he quickly settled out of court.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Joyce is 1-3 in the last 4 fights and the only win is Kash Ali. he is 40, if he can`t beat Hrgovic, game over.

But if he wins, he becomes relevant again. A huge fight for him.

[Knuckle sandwich]

I'm concerned for Joyce, if he loses this fight i hope he hangs them up,

[LG Motel 22]

Quality headline there, kudos

[Marchegiano]

Why does Joe's head seem rounder every time I see him?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Joe Joyce has knocked out Joseph Parker, and forced a stoppage vs Daniel Dubois. Joyce inflicted Dubois injuries and forced the stoppage. Daniel Dubois injury did not appear by itself, it was Joyce's jab which systematically beat him up. 'Although the form in his last few fights has not been super great. People need to stop attempting to erase a fighter's entire career, and all the feats they have achieved after a loss'.

If Joe Joyce was matched vs Daniel Dubois III next 'In all seriousness? I would give Joyce a big chance to beat Dubois. If you are a front runner in this sport, then stylistically competing against a fighter stylistically like Joe Joyce is a potential obstacle. And I still don't think Dubois has disproven that he is not a front runner at top level'. Dubois has shown courage throughout his career even during his loses, him being a front runner is not due to having a having lack of courage. It is more to do with a specific trait in his style, Dubois historically as a fight progresses becomes ineffective. This has happened in all of his top level fights, even against Anthony Joshua on his worst night'.

This trend in the action can be displayed. All the signs were there in that fight, in round 5 Anthony Joshua went from landing on average 40% of his punches, to over 80% of his punches during round 5. Even after being decked in round 1, the facts of that fight are? Anthony Joshua from the very moment he rose up off the canvas was slowly but surely, minute by minute fighting his way back into the fight. Before he amplified Dubois's punching power, by firstly making a technical mistake i.e. throwing an uppercut while wading forward with his guard completely down. This unforced error, amplified the power of Daniel Dubois which eventually lead to him then being knocked out'.

Joe Joyce may have lost to Derek Chisora 'But I don't actually think his performance was terrible. I have petitioned in the past that Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora, was a higher level fight than over 90% of all Heavyweight boxing contests in 2024'.

Just before Joyce and Chisora collided in their battle 'Frazier Clarke and Fabio Wardley competed for the Lonsdale British title. In the conclusion of the fight, many people within the British boxing community, were proclaiming that? The fight between Clarke vs Wardley was a all-time great British title fight. In my opinion, I thought it was a good solid fight, but it was definitively being overrated.

When you have two fighters apparently at their peak of their game, losing a fight due to not being able to throw caution to the wind 'And their endurance levels letting them down. That fight is not a all-time great British title fight'. Both Frazier Clarke and Fabio Wardly were unable to out right win the first fight, because their conditioning was not good enough to produce Championship winning rounds. That is a classic synopsis of the fight'.

Note: When Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora was announced 'Many of the classic generic UK Domestic boxing fans were complaining that the fight should not happen. They where claiming that both Joyce and Chisora, were going to create some sort of boxing spectacle that was detrimental for the sport'.

Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora fought on July 27th 2024, to the contrary. Their fight was a superior level fight to Frazier Clarke vs Fabio Wardley I 'Both in terms of the competitive passion between the fighters, and skill for skill the action'.

Here are some statistics below of the two fights:

Frazier Clarke threw a total of 476 punches and landed a total of 151 punches. Fabio Wardley threw a total of 459 punches, and landed a total of 157 punches. Over the duration of a 12 round fight.

Joe Joyce threw a total of 835 punches and landed a total of 211 punches. Derek Chisora threw a total of 564 punches, and landed a total of 192 punches. Over the duration of a 10 round fight.

In performance driven sports 'People who want to understand a accurate picture of individual performances and the action produced analyze the data. This is how sports like Formula One, Track and Field Athletics and Cycling operate. And this is how I myself at times, evaluate a fighters performance'

When I state things like 'Anthony Joshua has comparable levels of endurance and durability to Tyson Fury. This can be backed up by statistics and data from his performances throughout his entire career'.

To conclude: And on the topic of Joe Joyce 'Right now as we speak, I still believe he is a formidable opponent for a very large percentage of the Heavyweight fighters in the sport. I don't think Filip Hrgovic is a big favourite to win this fight at all'.

If Joe Joyce has built momentum from his last performance vs Derek Chisora 'Then he has a real chance to beat Filip Hrgovic. If he was to achieve such a feat, I think he should look to fight Fabio Wardly or Moses Itauma. As I think those match ups, would be good fights for all the fighters involved. The fighters would all potentially have something to gain by achieving a win in terms of resume and their position in the game' etc.