TBud: Manny Stopped Using Steroids and Stopped Getting Knockouts

[IceTrayDaGang]

That is a fact. The issue here is you don't understand what demonstable facts are because English isn't your first langauge.



No way to prove what?



Correct, it is not.

Neither is someone linkings up with Memo.




Because knowing how to cheat a system isn't evidence that his athletes are doing that.

the bolded in red... WRONG!! see below --

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[IronDanHamza]

the bolded -- once again YOU cant prove that!! especially when the ped pusher makes it clear that he knows how to cheat the system WHICH is WHY athletes go to him (his words, not mine).

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

I don't think you understand what's being said here.

You seem to think that just because Ariza and Memo having a PED past isn't evidence that someone who worked with them used PED's proves those fighters weren't on PEDs.

That's not the position. The position is simply that working with them, is not evidence for them cheating.

You lack basic understanding of how demonstrable evidence works, and what it even is. In fact I think it's very clear you are not aware of what demonstrable evidence actually is.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Your God needed a cutoff !!!!

Would you need a cutoff before fighting the biggest fight if your career ????

99.999999.of every other human being was begging to take Pac's place.

why would floyd need an even playing field for "easy work"?? your slave needed an even playing field for the biggest fight of his career?

[IceTrayDaGang]

That is a fact. The issue here is you don't understand what demonstable facts are because English isn't your first langauge.



No way to prove what?



Correct, it is not.

Neither is someone linkings up with Memo.




Because knowing how to cheat a system isn't evidence that his athletes are doing that.

the bolded... how can you prove this??? especially after memo stated that once athletes found out that memo is the man, they started going to him for advice.

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[IronDanHamza]

ok, so never said that then? ok,

Correct, I didn't.

So let's stick to what's actually been said and claimed and not fairytale made up crap.

well, i believe marquez linked up with memo so that he can cheat.

You are entitled to believe that.

You don't need evidence for a beleif or an opinon but that's all it is, your opinon.

my proof, see below --

now, can you show me proof that marquez didnt link up with memo so he can cheat? YOU CANT.

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

This is not proof for anyone using PEDs outside of the atheltes who were caught using PEDs under him.

You don't understand what proof is or how it works.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I don't think you understand what's being said here.

You seem to think that just because Ariza and Memo having a PED past isn't evidence that someone who worked with them used PED's proves those fighters weren't on PEDs.

That's not the position. The position is simply that working with them, is not evidence for them cheating.

You lack basic understanding of how demonstrable evidence works, and what it even is. In fact I think it's very clear you are not aware of what demonstrable evidence actually is.

once again, YOU cant prove this... 3 fights with manny = no success...

[IronDanHamza]

once again, YOU cant prove this... 3 fights with manny = no success...

I can't prove what?

[IceTrayDaGang]

Correct, I didn't.

So let's stick to what's actually been said and claimed and not fairytale made up crap.



You are entitled to believe that.

You don't need evidence for a beleif or an opinon but that's all it is, your opinon.




This is not proof for anyone using PEDs outside of the atheltes who were caught using PEDs under him.

You don't understand what proof is or how it works.

the bolded!! YOU cant prove this!!! how they gon get caught after memo came out saying he knows how to cheat the system, which is why THEY GO to him in the first place and not ariza! because ariza doesnt know how to cheat the system. #checkmate

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I can't prove what?

go see the bolded. you didnt act this slow before... now that you getting yo shiiet pushed in on this thread, you seem to act clueless, lmao!!!!

[IronDanHamza]

the bolded!! YOU cant prove this!!! how they gon get caught after memo came out saying he knows how to cheat the system, which is why THEY GO to him in the first place and not ariza! because ariza doesnt know how to cheat the system. #checkmate

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

Can't prove WHAT? What are you talking about not being able to prove?

Didn't you say in the other thread that passing Vada testing means someone's clean? Now you're saying that's not the case I take it?

You have not even the first idea on any of this stuff. You are so far out of your depth it's laughable.

Ariza doesn't know how the cheat the system you think? Oh yeah I'm sure he doesn't. Any basic S&C coach knows how to beat a random drug testing system. Let alone an elite one like Ariza he has known links to PED use.

You are aware that Ariza and Memo are friends and Ariza worked under him, right?