TBud: Manny Stopped Using Steroids and Stopped Getting Knockouts

[IronDanHamza]

once again, your facts is not facts for everyone.

There is no "your facts". There is not a spectrum on what a fact is. Demonstrable facts are facts, that are demonstrated to be true.

Such as; Canelo Alvarez tested positive for Clenbuterol, therefore, that is a DEMONTRABLE FACT that Canelo had Clenbuterol in his system.

Whereas, Pacquaio or Marquez, there is NO DEMONSTRABLE evidence either used PEDs in their career. That....is....a.....FACT. I can't make that easier for your thick skull to compute.

you cannot prove that marquez wasnt cheating.

Ok? And?

I can't prove that Santa Claus isn't real either.

Is there a point to this?

there was no random test in the 4th fight with pac.

Ok.

And?

[IronDanHamza]

dont try to change the subject. good thing i've already graduated! buahah!

look at you trying to change the subject, getting all triggered by this.

Where has the subject being changed at any point?

You are legitimately as dumb as a box of rocks

Change the subject HOW? It's THE LITERAL subject.

[IceTrayDaGang]

There is no "your facts". There is not a spectrum on what a fact is. Demonstrable facts are facts, that are demonstrated to be true.

Such as; Canelo Alvarez tested positive for Clenbuterol, therefore, that is a DEMONTRABLE FACT that Canelo had Clenbuterol in his system.

Whereas, Pacquaio or Marquez, there is NO DEMONSTRABLE evidence either used PEDs in their career. That....is....a.....FACT. I can't make that easier for your thick skull to compute.





Ok? And?

I can't prove that Santa Claus isn't real either.

Is there a point to this?



Ok.

And?

you made claims that marquez never cheated and that's a fact (in your words). you cant prove that he wasnt cheating, that's a FACT!!!

HEREDIA: Yes. When the season ended in October, we waited for a couple of weeks for the body to cleanse itself. Then in November, we loaded growth hormone and epo, and twice a week we examined the body to make sure that no lumps were forming in the blood. Then we gave testosterone shots. This first program lasted eight to ten weeks, then we took a break.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Where has the subject being changed at any point?

You are legitimately as dumb as a box of rocks

Change the subject HOW? It's THE LITERAL subject.

trying to change the subject then act like you are clueless. LOL.

[IceTrayDaGang]

you cant prove that marquez never cheated... but i can prove to you that memo knows how to cheat the system and that's FACT--

HEREDIA: Yes, that depended on the athlete. Some wanted to run a good time in April to win contracts for the tournaments. Others focused on nothing but the trials, the U.S. qualification for international championships. Others cared only about the Olympics. Then we set the countdown for the goal in question, and the next cycle began. I had to know my athletes well and have an overview of what federation tested with which methods.

[IronDanHamza]

i never said santa is not real and that;'s a fact like what you are doing here... you cant prove that he wasnt cheating, that's a FACT!!!

Right, and you can't prove Santa Claus isn't real either. But is there any demonstrable evidence that he is? No.

The same logic applies.

HEREDIA: Yes. When the season ended in October, we waited for a couple of weeks for the body to cleanse itself. Then in November, we loaded growth hormone and epo, and twice a week we examined the body to make sure that no lumps were forming in the blood. Then we gave testosterone shots. This first program lasted eight to ten weeks, then we took a break.

Is there a point you're trying to make by sharing this quote?

[IronDanHamza]

trying to change the subject then act like you are clueless. LOL.

Where has the subject being changed at any point?

You are legitimately as dumb as a box of rocks

Change the subject HOW? It's THE LITERAL subject.

[IronDanHamza]

you cant prove that marquez never cheated...

OK. And?????

There is no evidence that he cheated, that's a fact.

but i can prove to you that memo knows how to cheat the system

Ok. And?

and that's FACT--

Yes, that is a fact. So now you know what a fact is

Someone can't say that that isn't a fact, can they? Hence why facts aren't an opinion.

HEREDIA: Yes, that depended on the athlete. Some wanted to run a good time in April to win contracts for the tournaments. Others focused on nothing but the trials, the U.S. qualification for international championships. Others cared only about the Olympics. Then we set the countdown for the goal in question, and the next cycle began. I had to know my athletes well and have an overview of what federation tested with which methods.

What is this supposed to be telling anyone other than the fact that Memo has a history with PEDs? That's already established.

That has nothing to do with Marquez and him using PEDs.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Right, and you can't prove Santa Claus isn't real either. But is there any demonstrable evidence that he is? No.

The same logic applies.



Is there a point you're trying to make by sharing this quote?

i never said santa is not real and that's a fact! where as for you, you are making claims that you cant really prove!!!

BUT, what i can prove is that memo admitted to knowing how to cheat the system --

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[IceTrayDaGang]

OK. And?????

There is no evidence that he cheated, that's a fact.




Ok. And?



Yes, that is a fact. So now you know what a fact is

Someone can't say that that isn't a fact, can they? Hence why facts aren't an opinion.



What is this supposed to be telling anyone other than the fact that Memo has a history with PEDs? That's already established.

That has nothing to do with Marquez and him using PEDs.

The bolded. YOU cant prove that!!!

BUT, I can prove that memeo admitted to knowing how to cheat the system.. all you brought up was ariza's relation with manny! LOL.

HEREDIA: More like a coach. Together we found out what was good for which body and what the decomposition times were. I designed schedules for ****tails and regimens that depended on the money the athletes offered me. Street drugs for little money, designer drugs for tens of thousands. Usually I sent the drugs by mail, but sometimes the athletes came to me.