What Benavidez Could Do Better Than Artur Against Bivol

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  • SouthpawRight
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    What Benavidez Could Do Better Than Artur Against Bivol

    On a surface level
    • better defender
    • consistently target the body
    • longer jab but he still often has his rear hand down when jabbing, Bivol can counter jabs with lead hooks
    • faster hands
    • better stamina?
    come chime in boxing experts
  • DoubleMM
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    #2
    he could do a lot. for starters beterbiev couldn't cut the ring off at all and followed him around like an amatuer.

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      #3
      Originally posted by DoubleMM
      he could do a lot. for starters beterbiev couldn't cut the ring off at all and followed him around like an amatuer.
      Ben is a swarmer who often whoops ass in the center of the ring too like a Henry Armstrong

      Bivol rolled under Artur’s looping overhand to pivot out and escape the ropes

      maybe Bena could stop this motion with his counter right hook downstairs

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        This fight could be boring for many with both having a hard time to land cleanly

        Bivol & Bena are among the lowest connect % for the opponent

        I believe we’ll see Bivol bring the Soviet Step out of the garage VS Bena

        Bivol respects Artur’s round changing power and didn’t like the risk of getting timed

        Andrade’s step back return fire with blazing fast counter combos were working on Bena

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          #5
          Originally posted by DoubleMM
          he could do a lot. for starters beterbiev couldn't cut the ring off at all and followed him around like an amatuer.
          Think about why he couldn't do that, when he's one of the best in the sport at cutting the ring, and has managed to cut the ring successfully against every other opponent. Canelo couldn't cut the ring effectively either vs Bivol. I'll give you a hint: it has to do with Bivol's timing and punch selection...

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            It would be a boring fight. Bivol beats him 11-1 in rounds , the same as against Ramirez.

            After that Bivol haters will say he must beat Opetaia to prove something.

            Benavidez has 2 wins and zero stoppages at 175.

            Benavidez didn`t look great fighting the ghost of Gvozdyk. Bivol does with him whatever he wants.

            For Benavidez fans, remember: this is not some 168 sh.it fight against 154 guy Andrade. This is for real.
            Last edited by JakeTheBoxer; 03-12-2025, 01:17 PM.

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              #7
              Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
              It would be a boring fight. Bivol beats him 11-1 in rounds , the same as against Ramirez.

              After that Bivol haters will say he must beat Opetaia to prove something.

              Benavidez has 2 wins and zero stoppages at 175.

              Benavidez didn`t look great fighting the ghost of Gvozdyk. Bivol does with him whatever he wants.

              For Benavidez fans, remember: this is not some 168 sh.it fight against 154 guy Andrade. This is for real.
              Jai would be the next logical step for Bivol after 11-1 beating Bena

              beat Jai then Bivol could his career with a win over Artur’s cousin Imam

              Bivol would have defeated all of the fighters from warriors cultures

              3x Mexicans Alvarez Zurdo Bena
              1x Samoan Jai
              2x Chechens Artur & Imam

              there are no Elite Slique Black Americans at these higher weights for Bivol to face

              matter of fact he’s the slickest guy in these big man classes

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                #8
                Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07

                Think about why he couldn't do that, when he's one of the best in the sport at cutting the ring, and has managed to cut the ring successfully against every other opponent. Canelo couldn't cut the ring effectively either vs Bivol. I'll give you a hint: it has to do with Bivol's timing and punch selection...
                in rematch Bivol variation on the stick his flicker jab made it hard for Artur to counter

                Bivol increased his number of counter jabs in fight 2

                reducing how much distance Artur controlled

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SouthpawRight
                  in rematch Bivol variation on the stick his flicker jab made it hard for Artur to counter

                  Bivol increased his number of counter jabs in fight 2

                  reducing how much distance Artur controlled
                  Close but not quite what I was referring to. Flicker jab wasn't really the reason Beterbiev couldn't walk him down; it just reduced Beterbiev's volume and scored points for Bivol, but flicker jabs don't do much to stop someone from walking you down, because they're not powerful and they don't obscure vision for more than a moment. They're easily countered with preslips and feints. Other opponents have used them far more than Bivol did vs Beterbiev and they got stopped.

                  If you rewatch again, watch WHEN he throws both before and after he exits relative to Beterbiev's cutting footwork. Is he throwing looping shots or straight shots right before he moves? Why does he prefer the shots he uses? What effect does that have on Beterbiev's inability to cut the ring? Then watch his fight vs Canelo. You'll see the exact same pattern, as well as when he fought Zurdo. The timing and fight IQ constitute an elite skill by themselves, and using the massage between rounds to keep the stamina to do it for 12 was a very smart move.

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                  • Oracle01
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                    Davids pressure is different than Arturs. He is more tactical, mixes up his punches and speed much better than Beterbiev who just comes forward basically throwing predictable clubbing power shots. Plus David is rangier, faster, and crucially attacks the body much more than Beterbiev which will the key to breaking down Bivol. He will slow him down and that will change everything.

                    I heard some brainlets thinking Bivol will make Benavidez look like Zurdo. If you think Benavidez is comparable to Zurdo then you have no idea about boxing. He is a level above him in every aspect of boxing.
                    Last edited by Oracle01; 03-12-2025, 05:59 PM.

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