Comments Thread For: Vergil Ortiz Jnr wants to become a ?throwback fighter? against Israil Madrimov

[Roadblock]

These guys today are pampered compared to how it was. If you think eating a few bananas and resistance training (weight lifting) is making super humans I can't explain. At one time there were more boxers in NY than there are in the world today. It was dog eat dog, not diva ducking diva.

If thats what you think it is I can only say you have no idea, I boxed in the good ol days your on about and today is way more than eating a banana lol, dog eat dog doesn't equate to better dogs only a spectator would think that, it equates to more exploitation and then just like today only a few bubble to the top, today they are much better athletes across the board faster more power and more stamina , honestly how do you fathom it could be any different, I agree with your diva comment but thats more promoter lawyers and father trainers than the fighters themselves.

[LAchargers373]

It’s a really good fight, if Vergil wins big you watch the TC is crap brigade lol, 50/50 fight and hoping Ortiz wins it.

I agree it’s a great fight! Styles make fights and Madrimov/Bud was 2 counter punchers in a very nip and tuck affair. I think this fight will be more entertaining because Vergil will be coming forward applying pressure. It’s gonna be interesting cause Madrimov can crack and Ortiz can get a reckless. I think Ortiz walks through fire and wins. We’ll see how it plays out

[Curtis2]

Let's not forget, Vergil came forward vs Bohachuk and LOST. Serghii was clearly robbed. Repeat could happen again Saturday.

[steeve steel]

Well the real one is Corleone not Corelone but who knows?

Yep! But I doubt it... Sicilian mafia is still pretty powerful, even with competition from the Russians, Albanians, Japanese and Mexicans.

[steeve steel]

They didn't weigh in right before the fight it was in the morning some 12 hrs from fight time, they would still dry out and rehydrate just not as much as today but still 10 pounds or more, they changed it to 30 hrs because fighters were doing the same as today only fighting in a semi dehydrated space, which led the medical people to think we need to give them more time to rehydrate so they officially went to 30hrs

I see it a lot fans somehow think the old timers were superman, they weren't, just tough men that were fit and hungry, fighting guys in the same shape they were in, today its much more refined athletically, fans don't see it because its a fight to them they don't see the athlete, like say looking at a racehorse, when in reality there is no difference, peak condition is peak condition in an animal as it is in a man.

Don't think the old timers were supermen compared to today. And obviously, training techniques and nutrition have evolved. But the sport has remained pretty much the same. I have had this discussion with others, and also trainers, and I think old timers would fair pretty well against actual champions (say starting in the 70's). You couldn't say that of too many sports.

For the rest, I still think weigh-ins 3 hours before the fight would be the best. A bit like novice bouts.. And if a fighter comes in overweight, then he is fined and banned for 2 years. There would be some problems at first, but boxers would fall in line pretty quickly. (I know.. never gonna happen.. )

[wrecksracer]

Don't think the old timers were supermen compared to today. And obviously, training techniques and nutrition have evolved. But the sport has remained pretty much the same. I have had this discussion with others, and also trainers, and I think old timers would fair pretty well against actual champions (say starting in the 70's). You couldn't say that of too many sports.

For the rest, I still think weigh-ins 3 hours before the fight would be the best. A bit like novice bouts.. And if a fighter comes in overweight, then he is fined and banned for 2 years. There would be some problems at first, but boxers would fall in line pretty quickly. (I know.. never gonna happen.. )

yeah, boxing is a skills based combat sport. Fighters from the past had to face opponents of varying styles regularly. It made them more well rounded than the fighters of today, who fight twice a year against guys they know they will beat. I don't care how much better nutrition and training methods of modern fighters are. They aren't as well rounded. Case in point: Tank Davis. I would favor Pernell Whittaker or Roberto Duran over him all day, every day. Most pound for pound lists have Tank on it. He wouldn't even win a belt back in the 80s or 90s.

[Roadblock]

Don't think the old timers were supermen compared to today. And obviously, training techniques and nutrition have evolved. But the sport has remained pretty much the same. I have had this discussion with others, and also trainers, and I think old timers would fair pretty well against actual champions (say starting in the 70's). You couldn't say that of too many sports.

For the rest, I still think weigh-ins 3 hours before the fight would be the best. A bit like novice bouts.. And if a fighter comes in overweight, then he is fined and banned for 2 years. There would be some problems at first, but boxers would fall in line pretty quickly. (I know.. never gonna happen.. )

Im looking at the average not just the top guys when I say they have improved a lot, the top guys are pretty much equal across generations, but the average is way higher athletically today via modern training, that system applies to everything as the very best is always the smallest number of the whole, which is not the area you will see the biggest jumps in performance its that mid-range and lower end where the average lifts a lot, like say the Olympic trials of 30 yrs ago would get beat soundly by the modern Olympic trials competitors, but Duran would be right there with the best of any era, its based on the pyramid system where the very best sit on top and the average are across the middle and down are the greatest number which is also the area for potentially greater improvement. You really see this in animals where the clock of the average runs faster times across generations but the greatest only just bump the best times.

I don't think you are ever going to stop guys from drying out and trying to be as big as they can be for the weight, its such an advantage if done right they will always try, it sounds perfect to have them weigh in right before the fight just not feasible from a promotional point where promoters will have fighters messing up the weight a lot of the time throwing the whole promotion into chaos. To fine them for not making weight would need to be severe, like 80% of the purse otherwise, they would gladly pay the forfeit to get the weight advantage like Garcia did with Haney, a few million fine sounds a lot but its nothing if the win gives 20mill and bigger future purses.

[BirdSong]

the gang ****er got dropped twice inhis last fight but yet still won on the cards i forget but did his opponent not win more than two other rounds toi allow this???? seems odd to me lol in a 'close fight'

[Corelone]

I just remember the old days with pops watching the Gillette Cavalcade of sport, Wednesday night fights, Friday night fights. They had a scale on site and I remember the fighters getting off the scales, waving and smiling, ready for 15 rounds. Not like today where they make the weight looking like death, then eat everything on the menu for the next 24 hours.

[Roadblock]

I just remember the old days with pops watching the Gillette Cavalcade of sport, Wednesday night fights, Friday night fights. They had a scale on site and I remember the fighters getting off the scales, waving and smiling, ready for 15 rounds. Not like today where they make the weight looking like death, then eat everything on the menu for the next 24 hours.

Lol you looked at a replay of the weighin, they never weighed in right before the fight and fought 15 rounds, funny how time and memory change.