Comments Thread For: Keyshawn Davis scored body shot KO against Denys Berinchyk, wins WBO lightweight title

[Elheath]

Let me dumb it down so you can understand. Was the mandatory ever ordered by the WBC? No.

So Canelo wasn’t obligated to fight him. Just like how you now claim Keyshawn is not obligated to fight Andy Cruz.

Keyshawn Davis and Andy Cruz should do a title fight eventually while they are still in their prime in the mid-late 20s, that is for sure.

That being said saying that just because the corrupt alphabet soup decided not to "order" Canelo to fight him, it doesn't change the fact that David Benavidez was ranked the no. 1 ranked guy in WBC (and practically the whole division outside Canelo) for three years. Saying that UNDISPUTED champion Canelo ducking Benavidez and WBO beltholder Keyshawn Davis ducking WBO no. 15 Andy Cruz is quite a stretch just because of amateur background. Frankly given that WBC no. 1 Andy Cruz and WBC beltholder Shakur Stevenson are both promoted by the same company, Cruz should be looking to fight him as it is the easiest fight to make. Unless Andy Cruz thinks he can win against Keyshawn but is worried that Shakur will beat him so he doesn't want to go that route.

[BirdSong]

Andy Cruz is a Cuban Olympic gold medal winner. He was 4-0 in the amateurs against Keyshawn and beat him to win the gold medal.

But what you guys are saying is that you prefer to see fighters be businessmen. Ok, I understand.

so u want a guy to choose someone whos practicallyl unknown in the pros and barely anyone follows ams and fight him and lose any shot of bigger unification fights that may or may not arise in the next 6 months???? LOL yeah ok thats great advice right there

[ShoulderRoll]

Keyshawn Davis and Andy Cruz should do a title fight eventually while they are still in their prime in the mid-late 20s, that is for sure.

That being said saying that just because the corrupt alphabet soup decided not to "order" Canelo to fight him, it doesn't change the fact that David Benavidez was ranked the no. 1 ranked guy in WBC (and practically the whole division outside Canelo) for three years. Saying that UNDISPUTED champion Canelo ducking Benavidez and WBO beltholder Keyshawn Davis ducking WBO no. 15 Andy Cruz is quite a stretch just because of amateur background. Frankly given that WBC no. 1 Andy Cruz and WBC beltholder Shakur Stevenson are both promoted by the same company, Cruz should be looking to fight him as it is the easiest fight to make. Unless Andy Cruz thinks he can win against Keyshawn but is worried that Shakur will beat him so he doesn't want to go that route.

But it’s ingenuous to say “oh, Andy Cruz is merely ranked #15 by the WBO.” He is considered top 5 in the world by 3 out of the 4 sanctioning bodies.

And as already mentioned he was 4-0 against Keyshawn in the Olympics, including in their gold medal match.

I would bet money that Keyshawn fights someone ranked lower in his next fight.

[ShoulderRoll]

so u want a guy to choose someone whos practicallyl unknown in the pros and barely anyone follows ams and fight him and lose any shot of bigger unification fights that may or may not arise in the next 6 months???? LOL yeah ok thats great advice right there

I mean, if Keyshawn actually has a unification next then fair play.

But he won’t. It will be someone not as good as Andy Cruz. Just watch.

[BirdSong]

I mean, if Keyshawn actually has a unification next then fair play.

But he won’t. It will be someone not as good as Andy Cruz. Just watch.

ill be watching andy cruz u mean to see if he can even win a belt LOL

oh wait fight osme half decent mayb e too

[ShoulderRoll]

ill be watching andy cruz u mean to see if he can even win a belt LOL

oh wait fight osme half decent mayb e too

How can he win Keyshawn’s belt if Keyshawn marinates him? Lol

What you actually want him to do is to fight Shakur Stevenson or Gervonta Davis to get a belt. Not get an easy one off of someone like Berinchyk.

[Elheath]

But it’s ingenuous to say “oh, Andy Cruz is merely ranked #15 by the WBO.” He is considered top 5 in the world by 3 out of the 4 sanctioning bodies.

And as already mentioned he was 4-0 against Keyshawn in the Olympics, including in their gold medal match.

I would bet money that Keyshawn fights someone ranked lower in his next fight.

Just for clarification don't get me wrong I do expect and would like to see Keyshawn Davis and Andy Cruz fight while they are still both in their physical prime, but Andy Cruz certainly was not helping push his cause by waiting until he was 27 to turn professional and is now already 29 without much to show yet where Davis is still 25 and entering his physical prime and defeating the weak link but still obtaining a belt.

Frankly amateur fight record matters IMO for how fast a guy should get pushed as a pro but the H2H backthen isn't THAT important given that it is a totally different setting. Sure, Cruz did go 4-0 against Keyshawn 4-0 as an amateur, but if I wanted to I can make the argument that all those fights came when Keyshawn was still age 20~22 and less experienced while Cruz was a much more experienced in the amateurs and matured at age 24-26. So around the age Cruz was defeating amateur young Keyshawn, Keyshawn was defeating a professional old beltholder.

I mean the guy that who last defeated Inoue during the amateurs when Inoue was still a teen royally failed at the pros and didn't make it to anywhere while the one who lost went on to become one of the best boxers in Japanese history and ongoing.

[Adsy]

Just for clarification don't get me wrong I do expect and would like to see Keyshawn Davis and Andy Cruz fight while they are still both in their physical prime, but Andy Cruz certainly was not helping push his cause by waiting until he was 27 to turn professional and is now already 29 without much to show yet where Davis is still 25 and entering his physical prime and defeating the weak link but still obtaining a belt.

Frankly amateur fight record matters IMO for how fast a guy should get pushed as a pro but the H2H backthen isn't THAT important given that it is a totally different setting. Sure, Cruz did go 4-0 against Keyshawn 4-0 as an amateur, but if I wanted to I can make the argument that all those fights came when Keyshawn was still age 20~22 and less experienced while Cruz was a much more experienced in the amateurs and matured at age 24-26. So around the age Cruz was defeating amateur young Keyshawn, Keyshawn was defeating a professional old beltholder.

I mean the guy that who last defeated Inoue during the amateurs when Inoue was still a teen royally failed at the pros and didn't make it to anywhere while the one who lost went on to become one of the best boxers in Japanese history and ongoing.

Yeh I'm with you man, people putting too much emphasis on those amateur match up.
Keyshawn has much better pro experience and is now nearing his prime. No shame losing to Cruz years ago who was older and more experienced.
Cruz needa a couple of progressively more difficult fight over the next 12months then set up the fight!

[BirdSong]

How can he win Keyshawn’s belt if Keyshawn marinates him? Lol

What you actually want him to do is to fight Shakur Stevenson or Gervonta Davis to get a belt. Not get an easy one off of someone like Berinchyk.

thats a pity maybe he should attempt a WBO mando position and force the fight but hes high up on all belts apart fromthe WBO oh dear thats an issue how bout the loma belt if loma is on the way out???? might work for him lets wait to see what fight is lined up for keyshawn as all else is silly talk

[Elheath]

How can he win Keyshawn’s belt if Keyshawn marinates him? Lol

What you actually want him to do is to fight Shakur Stevenson or Gervonta Davis to get a belt. Not get an easy one off of someone like Berinchyk.

He could also fight Raymond Muratalla or Zaur Abdullaev for the IBF interim. Or Zepeda if he decides to skate from Shakur after he defeats Farmer in the rematch.