Who is better? Joe Joyce or Luis Ortiz

[Stuntman Mike]

Ortiz dominated dave allen and dave allen just beat johnny fisher so ortiz's legacy is still getting better every day

[Shrap]

Fugh me
Hoping he understands cause that’s pretty fughin clear to understand
The better boxer in his eyes was the guy that blocked everything with his face
lmfao

Except Joyce was more successful as an amateur than Ortiz also despite his amateur career being extremely short and late. Joyce got an olympic silver which arguably should've been a gold whereas Ortiz was absolutely mediocre in international amateur boxing and never amounted to much in the pros either.

Joyce has gotta be do something right and better than Ortiz to keep accomplishing greater things in both amateur and pro boxing. Ortiz never seems to stack up in anything but imagined scenarios and fake "boogeyman" stories created by Wilder fans.

This comparison is a joke like Ortiz's resume.

[MulaKO]

Except Joyce was more successful as an amateur than Ortiz also despite his amateur career being extremely short and late. Joyce got an olympic silver which arguably should've been a gold whereas Ortiz was absolutely mediocre in international amateur boxing and never amounted to much in the pros either.

Joyce has gotta be do something right and better than Ortiz to keep accomplishing greater things in both amateur and pro boxing. Ortiz never seems to stack up in anything but imagined scenarios and fake "boogeyman" stories created by Wilder fans.

This comparison is a joke like Ortiz's resume.

I totally agree that Joyce had the better amateur career and winning a medal and all but look at Yoka
He also won ina medal in the amateurs but turned out to not be great in the pros
The question is who do you think is the better boxer
Imo , it’s clearly Ortiz
We are not comparing money or careers but just skills
Did it ever hit you maybe Ortiz didn’t get all the breaks or opportunities that Joyce might have had ???
Imho , Joyce was damn lucky to have been blessed with that granite chin cause if he wouldn’t of had it , I don’t think he would of been so successful

[MulaKO]

Except Joyce was more successful as an amateur than Ortiz also despite his amateur career being extremely short and late. Joyce got an olympic silver which arguably should've been a gold whereas Ortiz was absolutely mediocre in international amateur boxing and never amounted to much in the pros either.

Joyce has gotta be do something right and better than Ortiz to keep accomplishing greater things in both amateur and pro boxing. Ortiz never seems to stack up in anything but imagined scenarios and fake "boogeyman" stories created by Wilder fans.

This comparison is a joke like Ortiz's resume.

By the way can’t stand all three of them and never been a fan of any ; AJ , Wilder or Fury

[Shrap]

I totally agree that Joyce had the better amateur career and winning a medal and all but look at Yoka
He also won ina medal in the amateurs but turned out to not be great in the pros
The question is who do you think is the better boxer
Imo , it’s clearly Ortiz
We are not comparing money or careers but just skills
Did it ever hit you maybe Ortiz didn’t get all the breaks or opportunities that Joyce might have had ???
Imho , Joyce was damn lucky to have been blessed with that granite chin cause if he wouldn’t of had it , I don’t think he would of been so successful

Every bit of evidence points to Joyce being the better boxer. You don't have success in the amateurs and the olympics by relying on a granite chin. You need to be able to box well and outpoint your opponents.

Ortiz was given multiple opportunities as an amateur to step up at international level and failed. He lost to the first known name he faced in Deontay Wilder - twice.

Maybe he continually fell short because he just wasn't very good. That's what reality says and not imagined scenarios of the fearsome skilled giant cuban southpaw that never seemed to materialise when it mattered.

[MulaKO]

Every bit of evidence points to Joyce being the better boxer. You don't have success in the amateurs and the olympics by relying on a granite chin. You need to be able to box well and outpoint your opponents.

Ortiz was given multiple opportunities as an amateur to step up at international level and failed. He lost to the first known name he faced in Deontay Wilder - twice.

Maybe he continually fell short because he just wasn't very good. That's what reality says and not imagined scenarios of the fearsome skilled giant cuban southpaw that never seemed to materialise when it mattered.

Is that what you think ; great
I won’t lose any sleep
You have your beliefs like I have mine
I think without his chin he wouldn’t of gotten anywhere close to where he’s gotten
Amateurs or pros

[Sid-Knee]

How many of these spam threads do you plan to make? We know you're an idiot you don't have to show us. Joyce was exposed. He's a perfect example of why your universe of rankings is so flawed: he had a gimmick and in a bad division he got away with just frenetic activity and arm punching for quite some time.

Joyce was exposed? By losing to a world class fighter? Doesn't that mean all fighters are "Exposed" when they lose? That includes Ortiz against Wilder. You know, the guy who beat no one outside of.... Ortiz? Yet Daggum is the idiot here? There's an idiot. But it isn't Daggum. Take a guess who it clearly is. You can't miss them. Their comments are too ridiculous for anyone to miss them.

This isn't/wasn't a bad era. Many other era's were much worse.

Maybe Joyce got his gimmick from where Foreman got his. You know, before he was "Exposed" and his frantic pressure didn't work any more.

[Sid-Knee]

Who said that? Sounds like something you would say. Primo Canera walked around a champion for a while. When the division got a little better and he fought and was studied a bit it soon became apparent he wasn't very good after all.

J0yce was this divisions version.. he fought in shape, and relentlessly and was able to defeat out of shape heavyweights with limited experience. When the blueprint was written he stopped winning.

Lewis Ortiz was flawless there was no blueprint he simply aged at a certain point after two spectacular fights with wild er. Fury also aged out after 2 battles with Wilder. Now here's something you may not get but if both of these guys were affected materially by these fights how do you think Wilder was affected?

Ring ****zine? Can you address that point? I didn't think so

Carnera was controlled by the mob. It was all pre-planned. Until it wasn't. It's well documented.

Joyce is like Carnera when better fighters came along? What, like Zhang who went on to lose to a Joyce victim in Parker?

Parker and Dubois were out of shape? Haha, what???

If you discover logic on any of your travels. Let me know. Because this certainly isn't it. Not by a long shot.

Ortiz was a nobody amateur or pro. For a reason. He was a nobody. A never was. Ortiz losing at that age is par for the cause. But it was Wilder? Same with Fury. Fury lives a life not suited to a top level athlete.

How do you think Joyce was affected in the fights against Zhang? But he was exposed but Ortiz wasn't? He was just changed as a fighter? LOL. The funny thing is, you're not even trolling. What's it like up there in the clouds? Not even crack can have someone removed from this amount of logic. F3ck me.

[Sid-Knee]

No... You can look and see exactly when Joyce started losing fights. You can see him fall down unable to make any adjustments once his gimmick is up. It's all on tape in his fight. He could not even beat a fighter who averages six punches or so around at best, when Joyce was averaging and untold amount of punches a round. He was exposed.

Yeah, who would have thought styles make fights where nearly every fighter in history has found that out. Very profound logic there. Again.

[STREET CLEANER]

Ortiz looks like he has a lot of skills but really didn't beat any one of note. Joyce has good names in his resume but has disastrous loses and now is fighting a guy the Hughie Fury KOed.

I'll go with Joyce. His wins against Parker and DDD are better than anything in Ortiz's resume.