Who is greater? Joseph Parker or Luis Ortiz

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I voted for Ortiz and what if Parker losses his next fight(s)? Ortiz only ever lost to two fighters and one of them (Ruiz) beat AJ! lol. Parker beat a shot Wilder, thats just the reality.

if parker loses his next fight his resume will still be 10 times better than ruiz's so whats your point? you keep talking about losses, what about wins? parker has way better wins than ortiz. you still havent explained why you voted for ortiz? from what im gathering, its because you desperately want to prop up wilder and his slim resume, but just look at their resumes? not even close right? im seeing how far fandom can go...and pretty far apparently.

and no wilder being shot was not a reality, thats you trying to revise history. he just ko'd helenius in 1 round, the same type of opponent he had been fighting his entire career(cept ortiz) but hes suddenly shot when he fights someone prime? ridiculous. wilder was a 6 to 1 favorite over parker.

[Mammoth]

2025 and people are still worried about how Wilder and Salido are perceived. Crazy.

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- - Water wet, sky blue, so why ask the obvious?

because there is someone who thinks ortiz is better and i needed a good laugh

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Who is greater? Meaning? Ortiz had a different background and prime, only recently has Parker "Jelled" to a level where he is able to be at his best. Ortiz came into the division this way and was subsequently undefeated... parker had a few losses on the way up, and is now at a place similar to when Ortiz entered the professional ranks.

Comparing them head to head, in his prime and twilight, Ortiz was a stronger fighter, with the caveat Parker may yet beat Ortiz out depending on these last few years.

The ignorance of the Op once again shows: He has no understanding of an objective comparison. He is essentially asking "what is better Vanilla of Chocolate Ice cream?" First of all, Ortiz dominated his competition up until facing Wilder... He did so with Charles Martin included, and actually fought well against Wilder in both fights. Parker has faltered in the past... So even if we play devil's advocate and say parker fighting Chisora and Whyte (essentially) makes a better victory than Jennings and Martin, Parker lost to Whyte. he also lost to Joyce, so in reality? unless one goes by subjective rankings, to say parker's record is better than Ortiz is a false conclusion.

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but parker has already beat out ortiz, he doenst have to do anything and is still way better than him. ortiz was thought highly of because of his hype, parker because of his resume. problem is ortiz didnt capitalize on that hype and his resume is mid at best. parkers resume is very good

once again there you go talking about losses while ignoring quality wins. who has the better wins? parker. therefore he is better. makes sense to everyone else but you. ortiz has never faltered...oh wait he was ko'd twice by wilder who parker easily beat. he lost to ruiz who parker beat. parker even beat zhang who killed wilder and joyce who beat parker. that should tell you hes a guy that has fought almost everyone and done quiet well, ortiz on the other hand is a guy who hasnt fought that many quality fighters and hasnt done too well yet you still keep giving him special fantasy powers.

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Who is greater? Meaning? Ortiz had a different background and prime, only recently has Parker "Jelled" to a level where he is able to be at his best. Ortiz came into the division this way and was subsequently undefeated... parker had a few losses on the way up, and is now at a place similar to when Ortiz entered the professional ranks.

Comparing them head to head, in his prime and twilight, Ortiz was a stronger fighter, with the caveat Parker may yet beat Ortiz out depending on these last few years.

The ignorance of the Op once again shows: He has no understanding of an objective comparison. He is essentially asking "what is better Vanilla of Chocolate Ice cream?" First of all, Ortiz dominated his competition up until facing Wilder... He did so with Charles Martin included, and actually fought well against Wilder in both fights. Parker has faltered in the past... So even if we play devil's advocate and say parker fighting Chisora and Whyte (essentially) makes a better victory than Jennings and Martin, Parker lost to Whyte. he also lost to Joyce, so in reality? unless one goes by subjective rankings, to say parker's record is better than Ortiz is a false conclusion.

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you should rename yourself billeau the post-modernist. what does being greater mean as a boxer? deep deep stuff. who has the better accomplishments in boxing. who beat the better opponents. you seem to think being greater is making up excuses as to why ortiz didnt accomplish as much as parker. im just looking at what they actually accomplished. you know fanboy stuff! you also are really bad at analogizing things. chocolate or vanilla? uh no not like that at all in fact. one guy has a long list of accomplishments and a deep resume, other guy has a slim resume and lost to guys the other guy beat.

[pollywog]

Let's not forget Prime AJ ducked Prime Ortiz.

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Who is greater? Meaning? Ortiz had a different background and prime, only recently has Parker "Jelled" to a level where he is able to be at his best. Ortiz came into the division this way and was subsequently undefeated... parker had a few losses on the way up, and is now at a place similar to when Ortiz entered the professional ranks.

Comparing them head to head, in his prime and twilight, Ortiz was a stronger fighter, with the caveat Parker may yet beat Ortiz out depending on these last few years.

The ignorance of the Op once again shows: He has no understanding of an objective comparison. He is essentially asking "what is better Vanilla of Chocolate Ice cream?" First of all, Ortiz dominated his competition up until facing Wilder... He did so with Charles Martin included, and actually fought well against Wilder in both fights. Parker has faltered in the past... So even if we play devil's advocate and say parker fighting Chisora and Whyte (essentially) makes a better victory than Jennings and Martin, Parker lost to Whyte. he also lost to Joyce, so in reality? unless one goes by subjective rankings, to say parker's record is better than Ortiz is a false conclusion.

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In reality Ortiz should've won the 1st Wilder fight when the ref and docs and their mothers stepped in between rounds and gave Wilder 3 hours to clear his head. That was a robbery.

[BoxOfficer]

Parker is better than both Ortiz and Wilder.

[Groin Grabber]

Let's not forget Prime AJ ducked Prime Ortiz.

When was "prime ortiz"?

Also it was ortiz that turned down a career high payday and a shot at the title

https://www.boxingscene.com/luis-ortiz-turned-down-5m-asked-10m-fight-joshua-61--138307

[NihonJim]

if parker loses his next fight his resume will still be 10 times better than ruiz's so whats your point? you keep talking about losses, what about wins? parker has way better wins than ortiz. you still havent explained why you voted for ortiz? from what im gathering, its because you desperately want to prop up wilder and his slim resume, but just look at their resumes? not even close right? im seeing how far fandom can go...and pretty far apparently.

and no wilder being shot was not a reality, thats you trying to revise history. he just ko'd helenius in 1 round, the same type of opponent he had been fighting his entire career(cept ortiz) but hes suddenly shot when he fights someone prime? ridiculous. wilder was a 6 to 1 favorite over parker.

Do you think Wilder at almost 39 years old, who had been in two wars with Fury where in both fights he was bleeding out of his ears, was down 6 times and in the third fury fight was beaten down to the point he face planted the canvas with literally nothing left was still "prime"

It's very hard to still be prime when you are a combination of that age, and have been in a fight where you've literally given everything, in a war.

Wilder always had loads of weaknesses and yes his resume is thin as hell, I agree Parker may well have beaten wilder if they had fought a few years earlier.

But wilder was not "prime"

Fury and wilder beat the **** out of each other and dropped each other a combined NINE TIMES and gave each other multiple concussions.

You know full well they took something out of each other.