Comments Thread For: Did Tyson Fury have the wrong plan for Oleksandr Usyk?

[pollywog]

Did Tyson Fury have the wrong plan for Oleksandr Usyk?

Hmmm...he lost badly on points so imma have to say YES.

[Nash out]

He took a dive for the Ukraine. Nash out - His Majesty

[PRINCEKOOL]

Tyson Fury just like Anthony Joshua, did his best 'And produced a commendable effort to beat Oleksandr Uysk I & II'.

I think people have overrated both Tyson Fury, and Anthony Joshua to a lesser degree as Super Heavyweight Fighters 'Fury and Joshua, are solid Super Heavyweight fighters in terms of their ability. But I would not rate them as all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters'.

Stylistically a fighter such as Oleksandr Uysk, should of pretty much in my opinion 'Been a more straight forward battle, both in terms of preparation and the fight action than it turned out to be for Fury and Joshua'.

Looking back in history, whenever we witnessed Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Kiltschko or Vitali Kilschko 'Come up against Heavyweight fighters, who were classical physique Heavyweight fighters i.e. between 6'0 to 6"3 and in the weight range of 210 to 230 + pounds at the maximum. Those fighters were pretty much done vs true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters, such as Lewis and The Kiltschko's.

It was only fighters such as Mike Tyson, and Evander Holyfield who could negate World to Elite level Super Heavyweight fighters during those eras 'Evander Holyfield was able to beat Rid**** Bowe in their rematch, Mike Tyson beat a extremely dangerous and brutal fighter in Donavan Razor Ruddock twice back to back. Razor Ruddock was basically the Deontay Wilder of the late 80's and 90's, but the only difference was? Donavan Razor Ruddock was a Super Heavyweight fighter, with a solid level of brute strength. Those are two attributes which Deontay Wilder did not have as a Heavyweight fighter, his worst overall attribute next to his pure technical ability was his brute strength'.

If Deontay Wilder had a more solid level of brute strength, in my opinion 'He would of most likely beaten Tyson Fury, 3 times out of 3 during their trilogy battles. One of the main reasons why Wilder lost two of his fights vs Fury, was due to Deontay Wilder? Not really having a high enough level of brute strength, to negate Tyson Fury's mass and own Super Heavyweight strength'.

But I also just want to say? That there are many heavyweight fighters who have campaigned in the Heavyweight Division, since the turn of the century. Who may have weighed in at similar weights to a Super Heavyweight fighter, but this is only due to those fighters being out of condition. In reality if those fighters where in solid condition, they would resemble heavyweight fighters that we saw compete mostly in the 70's, 80's and 90's boxing eras'.

A lot has been made about Tyson Fury's dimensions and weight 'But when you really analyse Tyson Fury as an athlete, you will understand that a high percentage of his weight is non-functional mass. Fury weighed in at under 250 pounds vs Wladimir Kiltschko, to be more exact? Tyson Fury was 247 pounds vs Wladimir Kiltschko back in 2015. Fury most likely in that fight was at his absolute best, in terms of his overall condition and endurance'.

Note: 'Oleksandr Uysk is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing, and pound for pound 'His wins over both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, are the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'. But I believe the genuine all-time great super heavyweight fighters of the sport, would not find such a stylistic encounter a mighty struggle to the same level that both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua have thus far in their careers.

This is because although Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, his best attributes 'Are not really areas of a fighters game, that you would expect to beat a true all-time great Super Heavyweight. Uysk has definitively been fortunate to appear in the Heavyweight division, during this boxing era 'He has exploited these modern day super heavyweight fighters, with the fundaments of boxing. His overall conditioning and endurance, and then just minimizing the frequency of unforced errors, technical mistakes produced during his fights'.

Be honest with yourselves? Does that really sound like a fighter, who would intimidate a absolute peak Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Kiltschko or Vitali Kiltschko? Uysk would be a straight forward fight for those great Super Heavyweight fighters in my opinion. Because what made those fighters great, is that they mastered the tactics of beating classical physique style Heavyweight fighters similar to Oleksandr Uysk and even more dangerous'.

Evander Holyfield at his absolute peak, or even outside of his peak 'Is a more formidable and complete fighter than Oleksandr Uysk. Lennox Lewis was embroiled in two competitive fights with Holyfield, but overall Lewis beat him and was the dominant fighter'.

David Haye, was definitively a more dangerous Heavyweight fighter than Oleksandr Uysk at his peak 'David Haye was effectively the Oleksandr Uysk of his era 'But with game altering power, in the form of Hayemaker's. David Haye the Lineal Ring ****zine, WBC, WBA, WBO, Cruiserweight Champion. And Haye technically should of been the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion, Jean Marc Mormeck had beaten O'Neil bell who was the IBF World Champion and avenged a loss, but Bell was stripped of the IBF title'.

David Haye was my fighter 'But I will be honest. Wladimir Kiltschko made that fight, more straight forward than Fury and Joshua did against Oleksandr Uysk. Because that is what all-time great Super Heavyweights should do vs classical physique styled Heavyweights'.

To conclude: So, overall the point I am trying to make is? Both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, in my opinion fought with solid game plans. They prepared and went into battle vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II, with the aim of beating him in a systematic fashion, like a true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters. Unfortunately what became apparent to them? Was that their skill, and endurance levels were not good enough to beat Oleksandr Uysk over the distance. If ether Fury and Joshua were aggressive, and applied pressure? Their actions always came with a consequence, because Uysk was always able to survive those attacks and then counter attack with his own offense. And during this level of action, Uysk was also maintaining his form and not producing a high level of unforced errors or technical mistakes. This is how Uysk over a duration of 12 rounds, was able to accumulate points and beat both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua'.

Skill for skill, I would have to say that Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II, Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II 'Are the highest level heavyweight boxing matches, that have happened in this boxing era. The next highest level fights, again? Involved both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Kiltscko'.

Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua overall used solid tactics to beat Oleksandr Uysk I & II 'This is a proven fact. Because they were both competitive vs Uysk, and they did in rounds. Even when Fury and Joshua were not winning rounds, they had the ability to make those rounds extremely difficult for Oleksandr Uysk'.

Oleksandr Uysk was just a superior fighter over the course of two fights, and he was able to beat two solid Super Heavyweight fighters in Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua etc.

[Joseph]

All that added lard and he refused to lob it at Usyk's body.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Fury from Fury v Wilder 1 destroys Usyk. Have a look at version of Fury. Fury left everything in the ring after Wilder 3. Fury was the only one with the balls to fight wilder when Wilder was still a killer. What was it, 8 or 9 knockdowns over 30 something rounds. Casuals know sweet fuq all about boxing.

But how? Wilder is a brawler. Totally different fighter. Fury has just not fought any good actual *boxers* in years. Last one he fought was Wallin 5 years ago who gave him serious problems... If you don't get any practice against skillful fighters you are never going to be able to suddenly beat one of the best ever. AJ would have been a great boxing test and tune-up for Fury pre-Usyk but he ran from that fight....

This was also the same Fury who went the distance with Pianeta (top-70 at the time) in his previous fight.... but yet somehow he would be able to destroy Usyk. Yeah sure...

[factsarenice]

Enough with the excuses! Tyson Fury rejected a 70/30 split to fight Usyk.....and now we no why.

Fury had a great plan until he got punched in the face 179 times.

[factsarenice]

Yes the wrong game plane was showing up in the first place.

Fury always knew that Usyk was a better boxer so he milked every can before he fought the better man.

[Skip Bayless]

he put on the weight so we can take the punches better, feel stronger and maybe bully usyk more but the latter he found hard to do. i don't think he went all out like he could have because he didn't want to risk getting stopped, mentally he was ok with taking it to the scorecards and seeing what happens, at least he and his fans can claim he got robbed that way but don't believe he would be able to live with a stoppage. he tried everything to get into usyk head and psyche himself up but it didn't work, i think fury knew he couldn't beat usyk but had to take the rematch to save face, he had avoided the fight for years.

the other thing to factor in is when has fury done 2 hard back to back training camps because i can't remember. it could just be he put on weight because he didn't work as hard, he put everything into that first fight and still lost but his stamina held up ok so maybe it's not this.

glad usyk beat this blob.

[MONGOOSE66]

No, he can't retire on loss. The general consensus is fury was overated. Time for fury to get a few more wins to show the pedestal he was put on was justified

He’s very good but not too smart. It was totally in him to beat Usyk but he lost the fire and his ego has taken over.

[Boxviewer]

Fury made a name by beating up a weak and poorly skilled one-trick pony Wilder and once he stepped up he got beaten twice by a superior skilled guy in Usyk. It has nothing to do with a wrong game plan imo, Usyk simply didn't allow him to execute whatever game plan he had. Period.