Comments Thread For: The Beltline: Tyson Fury-Anthony Joshua is still big, but it is far less appealing as an away fixture

[TMLT87]

Fury is superior to Joshua in every department except punching power.

It seemed that way a few years ago, then it became clear that we all got a little too carried away with the Fury hype and hes not actually some ATG H2H monster after all. Its not an easy fight to call imo.

[cace]

i dunno how big it is now but i'd still like to see it

[Left Hook Louie]

On a side note, it's crazy to me that for four fights (Wilder II & III, Whyte then Chisora) he suddenly carried a bit of convincing power, then just as suddenly lost it again.

Usyk seems to have a phenomenal chin, so that might have something to do with it. I thought Fury should have put more consistent effort into a body attack. That's where we've seen Usyk get uncomfortable versus DuBois and Joshua. But the brill fat man wasn't so brill, eh?

[Goatintheboat]

Great article. Thanks for the read

[hugh grant]

Stop making excuses to duck fight. If you keep putting fight off, of course one or both of them will lose in the mean time. How arrogant to think you can put a fight off ten years and still be top of tree?

[NorvernRob]

It’s as if the Joshua fanboys didn’t see him get anally violated by Dubois. Exposed hype job is simply no longer relevant

What any neutral sees is that Fury was never that good - neither of them were. But Fury is 0-3 his last 3 fights. Was dropped and beaten by an MMA fighter who was robbed, then lost twice to Usyk who barely needed to get out of 2nd gear.

He doesn’t have 1 punch KO power to flatten Joshua like Dubois. Fury was never hard to hit, if Wilder hit him clean multiple times then someone with decent fundamentals like Joshua, who is a lot bigger than Wilder, a better boxer and won’t be pushed around and leant on, certainly can hit him plenty. Joshua punches straight and hard and I don’t think Fury ever fancied that fight - he’s so fragile mentally that he couldn’t take the loss if he got beaten. He can’t even admit he lost clearly to Usyk.

[hugh grant]

What any neutral sees is that Fury was never that good - neither of them were. But Fury is 0-3 his last 3 fights. Was dropped and beaten by an MMA fighter who was robbed, then lost twice to Usyk who barely needed to get out of 2nd gear.

He doesn’t have 1 punch KO power to flatten Joshua like Dubois. Fury was never hard to hit, if Wilder hit him clean multiple times then someone with decent fundamentals like Joshua, who is a lot bigger than Wilder, a better boxer and won’t be pushed around and leant on, certainly can hit him plenty. Joshua punches straight and hard and I don’t think Fury ever fancied that fight - he’s so fragile mentally that he couldn’t take the loss if he got beaten. He can’t even admit he lost clearly to Usyk.

I do think fury is good but overrated on the whole. He beat wlad and wilder in their backyard. Fury sparring partners always seem to rate fury too.
Usyk will tell you fury is good. So fury was very good.

[Bob]

Thanks to the Saudis, we’re actually in a great heavyweight era, and this is another great fight.

I feel like journalists and fans have almost been programmed toward negativity whenever they talk about boxing. It gets tiring, almost like living with a roommate who is always depressed. Quit your whining and enjoy a good thing for crying out loud. Why are you watching or covering a sport you seem to hate so much?

I agree,
I find it's alot of the journalists pushing & prodding fan's with click bait instead of discussing actual boxing. I fell into it many times when i first started reading boxing papers again, wondering why Wilder & Aj weren't fighting all those year's ago.
As for this era of heavyweights, looking back it's been terrible right up until Usyk. An era of avoidance & holding belts hostage with clauses.
With Turkish now though over paying for fights i believe we are at the beginning of a good one with the next generation finally getting a chance to step up.

[MulaKO]

I do think fury is good but overrated on the whole. He beat wlad and wilder in their backyard. Fury sparring partners always seem to rate fury too.
Usyk will tell you fury is good. So fury was very good.

What’s Usyk to say he’s not very good
What would that say about himself ???

[PRINCEKOOL]

I see Tyson Fury's hardcore fans, and Anthony Joshua's critics, are applying their good ole tactics of 'Let's all protect Tyson Fury, from actually fighting anybody who can beat him, and while Fury does not fight his nearest competition? We will all try and convince ourselves that he has not lost his last 3 fights'.

I stated during the build up of Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'That Tyson Fury potentially after the rematch, could be in a even worse career position than Anthony Joshua'.

And now in my opinion, Tyson Fury is precisely at that stage of his career 'Tyson Fury has lost his last three fights, Fury did not beat Francis Ngannou. And we have just witnessed him being beaten by Oleksandr Uysk twice back to back. Pushed around the ring, smashed up, and out boxed over the duration of 24 rounds of competitive action'.

There is now too much mounting evidence, where boxing analyst can clearly see that Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Are not miles apart in terms of ability. Anthony Joshua has numerous times beaten common opponents with Fury, in by far more impressive fashion. Anthony Joshua also in my opinion, over the 24 rounds he competed against Oleksandr Uysk? Joshua overall fought a more balance, and efficient fight in both contests'.

The statistical comparisons between both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua's efforts vs Oleksandr Uysk also tell this story 'And I will post them here below'.

Note: Anthony Joshua over his two fights with Uysk, produced a work rate superior to Tyson Fury's 'Joshua threw 641 punches in the first fight, and then 492 punches in the rematch. Joshua's second fight with Uysk, showed that tactically? He was attempting to manage his pace more efficiently, which he did. But Uysk in response to this threw 712 punches. Out of all 4 Heavyweight titles fights vs both Fury and Joshua, Oleksandr Uysk produced his highest work rate vs Anthony Joshua II'.

Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'I personally regard that fight, as the absolute peak version of Uysk. Uysk vs Joshua was throwing on average 300 + more punches than he did vs Tyson Fury I & II.

And people need to factor this in? The highest amount of punches, Uysk landed on Anthony Joshua 'Was during their rematch. 170 Punches. The highest amount of punches Uysk landed on Tyson Fury, was 179 punches during their rematch. Oleksandr Uysk was also able to land 170 punches on Tyson Fury in their first fight'.

Anthony Joshua in his two fights vs most likely a better version of Oleksandr Uysk 'Was never hurt anywhere near to the level that Tyson Fury was vs Oleksandr Uysk'.

Tyson Fury in my opinion has tactically throughout his career, has at times avoided certain fighters 'Who may of been deemed as stylistically difficult fights for him, but match ups that he also believed were not necessary for him to progress in his career'.

It is common knowledge in boxing circles, that Tyson Fury once upon a time avoided fighting David Price 'The fight would have been a title fight for the British, Commonwealth titles. It would of been the biggest fight of Fury's career to date, and at that stage of his career? Fury was not really universally perceived very highly. The large majority of boxing fans, and even people within the boxing community saw him as an entertaining clown type fighter. I personally did not perceive Tyson Fury as that sort of fighter, but many people did. Fury was a entertaining fighter early on in his career, and this was mainly due to his innate clumsiness combined with his game attitude to fight'.

Tyson Fury avoided David Price, and vacated his British and Commonwealth titles 'And instead fought a fighter called Vinny Maddalone. A domestic level American Heavyweight fighter'.

And to the people who may not be aware of maybe why Fury avoided Price 'You know the way fighters such as Oleksandr Uysk, Anthony Joshua, David Haye, Carl Froch. All turned professional off the back of having been World to Elite level amateur fighters'.

Oleksandr Uysk was a Olympic Champion, Anthony Joshua was a Olympic Champion, and World Championship medalist. David Haye and Carl Froch were both British Boxings first World Amateur medalist for 27 years'. The World Amateur boxing championship was first held in 1974, both Haye and Froch were the first British World Amateur boxing medalist in 2001. David Haye won a Silver Medal, and Carl Froch in the same Championships won the Bronze Medal.

Tyson Fury turned professional after being beaten by David Price 'That was Fury's highest achievement as a amateur fighter. 'And this is no disrespect? Because at the time David Price was a commonwealth bronze medallist, and one of the top Amateur Super Heavyweight fighters in the build up to the 2008 Olympics'.

The main point I am trying to make is? Anthony Joshua has always been stylistically in my opinion, one of the most difficult fights for Tyson Fury. Fury when he confronts Joshua is fighting another Super Heavyweight fighter, who also has a proven skill for skill all round boxing abiity that is very comparable his own. There is not one single area of Fury's game, that anybody can state is categorically miles better than Anthony Joshua's individual attributes'.

The days are now gone, where Hardcore Fury fans could overly boast about Tyson Fury's durability. Fury's durability level is solid enough, but the truth of the matter is? Tyson Fury has never been invulnerable to physical attacks. And I personally have never rated his punch resistance and durability as that much better than Anthony Joshua's, at any point in his career'.

Joshua statistically has fought and beaten more top level heavyweight fighters, who were renowned for their punching power 'Anthony Joshua has only ever been decked and stopped by fighters, who's best attributes are their offense and power. And even during those fights, his opponent's are having to create a sustained heavy bombardment to win the fights. Every single time Joshua has been decked, he has risen back up onto his feet. And even on his worst night vs Daniel Dubois, in the fifth round Joshua was still fighting to get back to his feet before the referee waved the fight off'.

Tyson Fury in comparison throughout his career, has been decked and continually hurt by fighters who are not renowned for their punching power 'I am talking about domestic level, borderline low level European fighters. I don't even need to bring fighters such as OIeksandr Uysk or Steve USS Cunningham into this debate, to really prove my point'.

It was only when Tyson Fury fought Deontay Wilder in their trilogy battle 'A fighter who yes supposedly was one of the most powerful heavyweight fighters of all times. Tyson Fury also outweighed Wilder, on average by 40 pounds at the very least. After those three fights, Tyson Fury was bestowed with the stereotype of having great levels of durability'.

Apart from the Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury trilogy 'Fury really has not proven his durability, to a very high level against power puncher punchers at World or Elite level'.

Because lets all get this right? Tyson Fury fought Wladimir Kiltschko on the back foot, and was reluctant to engage 'Anthony Joshua in comparison, fought a by far more offensively aggressive and engaging fight vs Kiltschko. And ultimately won his fight vs Wladimir Kiltschko in more conclusive fashion than Tyson Fury'.

On April 29th 2017, Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua was the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. Not only did Anthony Joshua beat Wladimir Kiltschko, he also stayed around at the summit and defended his titles conclusively taking the Heavyweight Division into a complete new dynasty

To conclude: If all you hardcore Fury fans, and Joshua critics 'Are yearning for Anthony Joshua to get smashed up and beaten again. Then why are all you people so eager to stop Anthony Joshua, from being involved in such high jeopardy match ups? If all you people want to see the Anthony Joshua get forced out of professional boxing for good as an active fighter. Then surely you would want fighters such as the mighty Tyson Fury, to take this the man out of the game?'.

But instead, you all seem really apprehensive of such a fight 'Or match ups happening. Whether this be Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury, or Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois II. Or any other top level Heavyweight fighter'.

Somebody needs to tell me right now, the reasoning behind this behaviour? I will tell you the reasoning 'You are all terrified, completely petrified still of what Anthony Joshua's ability can achieve potentially vs all of those fighters. And especially against Tyson Fury'.

I will say something very profound right now. Tyson Fury has just fought two fights back to back vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II, and if you factor in round 9 of their first fight. Fury just about survived the full 24 rounds. Which is a feat that needs to be commended'.

If and when Tyson Fury fights Anthony Joshua 'Under Marquess of Queensberry Rules, 1867. There is a high likely-hood that Tyson Fury does not survive the full 12 rounds. And this is the eventually which Fury's hardcore fans, and the media propaganda machine behind Fury are all completely terrified about. Because after such a fight, and win by Anthony Joshua. Fury's hardcore fans, and the media machine which supports him? Will not be able to use their usual tactics of attempting to distort reality and boxing history to embellish Tyson Fury's performances'.

The stage is set to make this fight. But I would be very surprised if Tyson Fury his team make this fight etc.

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