Funny thing is, pre-Zhang Wilder would probably be a bigger problem for Usyk than Fury was

[NihonJim]

Yeah, Wilder's one cat the boxing advantages matter less for, but Wilder seems to have a hard time finding his balls these days. If he found his balls he could be a threat to any HW again. Anyone seen Wilder's balls?

He's 40 years old and in particularly the third fury fight he took a career ending beating

I've given wilder a lot of flak over the years but in the 3rd fury fight the man did something very few fighters do and that was to completely go out on his shield, it's very hard to come back from that.

[daggum]

He's 40 years old and in particularly the third fury fight he took a career ending beating

I've given wilder a lot of flak over the years but in the 3rd fury fight the man did something very few fighters do and that was to completely go out on his shield, it's very hard to come back from that.

really thats strange because in his very next fight he was back to ko'ing tomato cans like always. no problem doing that. the only difference was level of competition which is what a lot of people were saying all along. his comp was incredibly weak except ortiz who schooled him until wilder caught him later. wilder would still be winning if he was fighting the pbc guys: arreola, washington, spilzka, etc...fighting better fighters is just a lot harder as wilder found out. he waited so long that people fell for it and turned their analytical brains off. he keeps ko'ing everyone! a guy like dubois fought a bunch of tough fights early in his career and lost a couple, but he still keeps coming back because he has the skills to do so, wilder does not. if wilder had taken tough fights like dubois he never would have hyped himself into huge fights and been given 100 million dollar offers. it really paid off not taking risks, for him, why should we like that though?

[NihonJim]

really thats strange because in his very next fight he was back to ko'ing tomato cans like always. no problem doing that. the only difference was level of competition which is what a lot of people were saying all along. his comp was incredibly weak except ortiz who schooled him until wilder caught him later. wilder would still be winning if he was fighting the pbc guys: arreola, washington, spilzka, etc...fighting better fighters is just a lot harder as wilder found out. he waited so long that people fell for it and turned their analytical brains off. he keeps ko'ing everyone! a guy like dubois fought a bunch of tough fights early in his career and lost a couple, but he still keeps coming back because he has the skills to do so, wilder does not. if wilder had taken tough fights like dubois he never would have hyped himself into huge fights and been given 100 million dollar offers. it really paid off not taking risks, for him, why should we like that though?

I agree with you to some degree, Wilder was very obviously manufactured but I still believe his right hand was an A+ punch even if the rest of his skillet was D level

[MONGOOSE66]

Not easy to avoid Wilder`s hand for 12 rounds.

Ok, Parker did it. But I think that pre-Zhang Wilder gives usyk a harder fight than Fury did.

Now Wilder is done, Zhang ruined him for good.

Easier work than Fury. Their footwork is even worse. You can’t beat Usyk with poor foot work.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Yeah, Wilder's one cat the boxing advantages matter less for, but Wilder seems to have a hard time finding his balls these days. If he found his balls he could be a threat to any HW again. Anyone seen Wilder's balls?

I think he is done.

my point is, pre-Zhang Wilder would be a dangerous fight for Usyk. One shot and good night.

[TMLT87]

He'd have more of a punchers chance than Fury did, but brings much less of basically every other quality.

[daggum]

I think he is done.

my point is, pre-Zhang Wilder would be a dangerous fight for Usyk. One shot and good night.

One shot? Bruno surace has kod as many top 10(ring) fighters as wilder. Of course it could happen but you are massively overhyping his power which was built up on a steady diet of nobodies. He simply did not have the magical power you are describing. The stats clearly show that.

[daggum]

I agree with you to some degree, Wilder was very obviously manufactured but I still believe his right hand was an A+ punch even if the rest of his skillet was D level

But where does that belief come from? He kod 1 top 10(ring) opponent in his career. If he had jumped into the deep end right away instead of koing so many unranked unheralded guys no one would be touting him for his great power.

He seems to be getting extra credit for koing so many weak fighters but we know in general and in Wilders specific case that power is harder to transfer from the mid level to top level.

For example if you are a minor league baseball player who hits 50 home runs off minor league pitching, then you go to the big leagues and hit 15 home runs, you wouldn't be known as a power hitter. Yet a lot of people are judging Wilder on what are essentially his minor league numbers and not his top level numbers.

[j0zef]

I don't see it. Technical skill gap between them is very wide. Wilder has never shared the ring with anyone like Usyk, not even close. Wilder had virtually 1 skill, deadly punches at long range. Usyk would have stuck close to him and annihilated him on the inside.

Usyk's biggest weakness against HWs is size - he's always the smaller guy that needs to find a way to finesse his way to a win. Against Wilder, they'd be the same weight, with Wilder taller and lankier. Usyk would be both bigger and faster. Wilder will always have a puncher's chance against Usyk, but 9 times out of 10 that's an Usyk KO8 over Wilder.

[QueensburyRules]

Not easy to avoid Wilder`s hand for 12 rounds.

Ok, Parker did it. But I think that pre-Zhang Wilder gives usyk a harder fight than Fury did.

Now Wilder is done, Zhang ruined him for good.

- - Joking again, eh?

Deyonce was never more than Haymons' TBA WBC gofer.

U and he could meet under his statue in Tuscaloosa where U could sing his praises under a full moon...