Usyk fanboys are getting out of control
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You can't find it online anymore but Usyk couldn't handle Porters pressure style at all, which I strongly suspect would still be an issue in the pros if there were any quality pressure fighters at 200+, sadly there aren't
Historically there's been many which is another reason I'm not ready to crown him goatComment
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Usyk is the ONLY Heavyweight of the current generation I truly believe could hang with the elite Heavyweights of the recent past e.g. Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield & Bowe and throughout history e.g. Ali, Marciano, Louis, Frazier etc.
Whilst I’m NOT necessarily saying he beats them all, he would definitely be able to give them a competitive fight and probably beat one or two which is still a great achievement for a career Cruiserweight.
To put things in perspective, Usyk is at LEAST as good a Heavyweight as the better Klitschko brother (Vitali) who was up on all 3 scorecards against Lewis before a doctor stopped the fight due to an eye injury.
Usyk is a GREAT f’ing fighter…put some respect on his name!Last edited by HisExcellency; 12-27-2024, 01:03 PM.Comment
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Usyk could clearly hang with the top guys in any era. As previously stated, there were worse fighters who gave the greats a hard night.
What I do find crazy is, if Usyk had been jobbed on the cards vs AJ, Fury, Chisora - then those small margins (chosen by the judges) wouldn’t have had people ranking Usyk in the top 3 let alone ATG rankings. People’s careers and legacy’s really do get screwed by bad judging/reffing.Comment
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Usyk is the ONLY Heavyweight of the current generation I truly believe could hang with the elite Heavyweights of the recent past e.g. Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield & Bowe and throughout history e.g. Ali, Marciano, Louis, Frazier etc.
Whilst I’m NOT necessarily saying he beats them all, he would definitely be able to give them a competitive fight and probably beat one or two which is still a great achievement for a career Cruiserweight.
To put things in perspective, Usyk is at LEAST as good a Heavyweight as the better Klitschko brother (Vitali) who was up on all 3 scorecards against Lewis before a doctor stopped the fight due to an eye injury.
Usyk is a GREAT f’ing fighter…put some respect on his name!
but neither Fury nor Joshua are great
Fury is a very good while Joshua is good
the best thing about Usyk is he brings small man skills into the heavyweight division where most fall in love with power and do wild shtLast edited by SouthpawRight; 12-27-2024, 01:44 PM.Comment
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I find that most drama and vitriol occurs with these nebulous rankings like all-time greats, pound for pound and mythical matchups.
It's so hard to compare over time because nutrition, sports technology, etc both evolve (and sometimes devolve). Usyk would likely do very well in any era.Comment
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They are now calling him a top 10 HW of all time and likely beating any HW that lived, based on 7 fights at HW and beating up two overhyped UK fighters. Its comical. They are also trying to pretend his run at cruiser counts as HW compared to the 70s and that even Briedis would be a top 70s HW. Even calling usyk an ATG is too much imo for a guy with only 23 pro fights and a resume that is strong but not spectacular. These fan boys might overtake the Canelo ones.Comment
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DAZN have Usyk in their top 10 ATG HWs list. He belongs there. What he has accomplished in just 23 pro fights is incredible. He is 12 - 0 in world title fights, all on the road. And yes, 7 of those world title wins were at CW, but the guys he was beating were as big as HWs in previous eras.
Joe Frazier and George Foreman are also on DAZN's ATG list. They are both 5 - 2 in world title fights. At HW, Usyk is 5 - 0. The same number of world title fight wins as Frazier and Foreman, but with no losses.Comment
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Did Ali lose any fights as a teenage amateur? Yes.
Is that relevant when talking about his resume as a pro? No, of course not.Last edited by kafkod; 12-27-2024, 03:01 PM.Comment
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Usyk could clearly hang with the top guys in any era. As previously stated, there were worse fighters who gave the greats a hard night.
What I do find crazy is, if Usyk had been jobbed on the cards vs AJ, Fury, Chisora - then those small margins (chosen by the judges) wouldn’t have had people ranking Usyk in the top 3 let alone ATG rankings. People’s careers and legacy’s really do get screwed by bad judging/reffing.Comment
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