Imagine suing somebody for battery in a professionally sanctioned fight.

[MulaKO]

Are you sure you are a boxing fan? If so, then you should have known all of these things. It's common knowledge. On the day of the weigh in; Both Haney and Garcia had undergone a random VADA drug test where he tested positive.

Which clearly demonstrated that Garcia was not expecting it because he was so hopped on PEDS at the time. In addition, his B-sample came back positive too.

Then they tested them both again on the day of the fight. In which both his second test and B-sample had all come back positive for doping also..

Initially, the NYSAC was going to let him walk but he tested positive for ostarine with them as well. Look it was Ryan Garcia who signed up for this random drug testing with VADA.

If he was doping then he should never agreed to such a condition in the first place. This was no one's fault but Ryan Garcia's. He was both smug and arrogant in believing that VADA wouldn't dare out him like that but they did.

He made a calculated risk in taking banned substances while being randomly drug tested by VADA and lost big time.

Ok so one sample x 4
ok got you , same sample being tested 4 times doesn’t mean getting busted 5 times but wtv

Initially, the NYSAC was going to let him walk but he tested positive for ostarine with them as well. Look it was Ryan Garcia who signed up for this random drug testing with VADA.

So the fight should have never gone off , right ???
Maybe baby Haney and daddy Haney said let’s have ago at it cause slinging rock at the corner ain’t living up to its expectations

Source and proof Mr boxing fan
Dudnt ask for your opinion did I

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Yes, he popped dirty with both VADA's A and B samples twice and once by the NYSAC. That is a total of 5 separate or different occasions.

It's both clear, cut and died that he cheated. After first denying those dirty test results; He would later recant his story by admitting before the NYSAC that he was actually guilty.

Moreover, he even acknowledged that he had indeed deliberately tested positive for doping with ostarine. Which is probably the reason why the NYSAC governing body cut him his slack because he confessed.

Let me make it clear that I am not arguing whether he cheated or not, because I believe he intentionally took Ostarine. Having said that, I know that 1 sample was collected the day before his fight and another sample was collected the night after the fight. Both samples were separated and placed in a container A and container B. When A tested positive Ryan was notified and a request was made for the testing of the sample in container B.

He obviously tested positive so that is 4 results from 2 original samples given, but I've not heard of the NYSAC issuing a separate test. If you can provide a link that confirms that the NYSAC gave Ryan a separate test I'd appreciate it.

As for Ryan's lenient punishment, it is due to Ryan admitting to not reporting supplements he took, not for admitting that he knowingly took Ostarine. You can look it up on the NYSAC website and see for yourself.

[champion4ever]

surely if u test the same blood twice u will have the same result or the same wee twice or whatever

Exactly and I get that. However, it is what it is. Initially, the NYSAC was attempting to protect Ryan Garcia in order to help cover up those dirty tests results. They couldn't have given two shits about a positive VADA drug test.

VADA had no jurisdiction over them or was even sanctioned by them. Which was the reason why they decided to sat on those dirty positive test results for more than three weeks.

However, it wasn't until Ryan Garcia tested positive with them too that they decided to out him. His testing positive for doping with the NYSAC was a game changer.

Therefore, subsequently after weeks of being pressured by VADA to release his positive drug tests; They relented by disclosing them

[champion4ever]

He popped twice.

A and B samples are from the same blood test.

True but don't forget that he tested positive for doping with the NYSAC too. Which was the reason why he got suspended in the first place.

[champion4ever]

Don’t think he admitted to deliberately testing positive.

His position was it was contaminated supplements.

Yes, he most certainly did. However, that was not the position he took when sitting before the NYSAC answering for his actions. That was prior to his coming before the commission to answer why he had trace amounts of that banned substance in his system.

If he had indeed popped dirty due to cross contamination then he should have used that excuse before pleading guilty to something that he allegedly didn't do. The reason why he didn't use that excuse because it was a lie and he knew it.

An innocent person cannot confess to something that they didn't do wrong. If one is innocent; Then the reasonable person will fight like Hell in order to clear both their good name and reputation.

However, Ryan didn't do that in this case and we all know the reason why.

[MulaKO]

True but don't forget that he tested positive for doping with the NYSAC too. Which was the reason why he got suspended in the first place.

So all five of your assumptions from ONE single blood test
And you were asking if I’m a boxing fan
sheesh

[champion4ever]

but but but

if u know u are being tested why cheat???? when the risks are so high

but but but

if u know u are being tested why take these supplemnts when u know they have been contaminated in the past and will be in the future as well but ill take them anyway LOL

boxing is full of mysteries

PLUS there are actually safe suplplents to take for athletes that pride themselves on no failed tests but i wont take them LOL ill take the risky ones instead yeah of course u will sure kid

Those are exactly my sentiments. Who would do such dumb stupid shit like that? Especially when one knows they have agreed to do random drug testing? I will tell you who. A person who is both narcissistic and arrogant. That's who. I guess Ryan believed that he was the be all and end all of the sport boxing.

[BirdSong]

Exactly and I get that. However, it is what it is. Initially, the NYSAC was attempting to protect Ryan Garcia in order to help cover up those dirty tests results. They couldn't have given two shits about a positive VADA drug test.

VADA had no jurisdiction over them or was even sanctioned by them. Which was the reason why they decided to sat on those dirty positive test results for more than three weeks.

However, it wasn't until Ryan Garcia tested positive with them too that they decided to out him. His testing positive for doping with the NYSAC was a game changer.

Therefore, subsequently after weeks of being pressured by VADA to release his positive drug tests; They relented by disclosing them

thats shameful if true i mean vada are the gold standard for testing in the sport and disregarding failed tests should result in being slung up in front of a judge and fired

[champion4ever]

Let me make it clear that I am not arguing whether he cheated or not, because I believe he intentionally took Ostarine. Having said that, I know that 1 sample was collected the day before his fight and another sample was collected the night after the fight. Both samples were separated and placed in a container A and container B. When A tested positive Ryan was notified and a request was made for the testing of the sample in container B.

He obviously tested positive so that is 4 results from 2 original samples given, but I've not heard of the NYSAC issuing a separate test. If you can provide a link that confirms that the NYSAC gave Ryan a separate test I'd appreciate it.

As for Ryan's lenient punishment, it is due to Ryan admitting to not reporting supplements he took, not for admitting that he knowingly took Ostarine. You can look it up on the NYSAC website and see for yourself.

I respect your opinion. However, if what you are saying is true then why did the NYSAC sat on those positive test results for several weeks? They certainly didn't suspend him based on VADA's test results.

As for why he was suspended; He was suspended for doping not for not reporting supplements he was taking which had no PEDS in them. No, they suspended him for intentionally cheating. Ryan knew what he was taking and doing.

No they took their time and exercised their due diligence to confirm whether or not those positive test results were legit or not. It's protocol for governing bodies to request a fighter's specimen post fight in order to conduct a urinalysis.

I thought you knew that. VADA does not have jurisdiction over the NYSAC. Neither is VADA sanctioned by them. VADA is totally voluntary.

It's a mutual agreement that is financed by the two fighters themselves and not the governing bodies. In order for the NYSAC to suspend Ryan Garcia for a year and overturn his win over Devin Haney to a no-contest.

Then they must have had irrefutable and incontrovertible evidence of Ryan Garcia's doping. Perhaps, based on their findings; It was probably confirmed that Ryan had been indeed doping prior to and during his fight with Devin Haney.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

I respect your opinion. However, if what you are saying is true then why did the NYSAC sat on those positive test results for several weeks? They certainly didn't suspend him based on VADA's test results.

No they took their time and exercised their due diligence to confirm whether or not those positive test results were legit or not. It's protocol for governing bodies to request a fighter's specimen post fight in order to conduct a urinalysis.

I thought you knew that. VADA does not have jurisdiction over the NYSAC. Neither is VADA sanctioned by them. VADA is totally voluntary.

It's a mutual agreement that is financed by the two fighters themselves and not the governing bodies. In order for the NYSAC to suspend Ryan Garcia for a year and overturn his win over Devin Haney to a no-contest.

Then they must have had irrefutable and incontrovertible evidence of Ryan Garcia's doping. Perhaps, based on their findings; It was probably confirmed that Ryan had been indeed doping prior to and during his fight with Devin Haney.

Thanks for the respectful dialogue, after a quick search, I believe you are correct about the NYSAC testing Ryan separately. I should have researched it before asking you for a link and you are correct when stating that Ryan tested positive on 5 separate occasions. Thanks for the correction!