Comments Thread For: A month out from Oleksandr Usyk-Tyson Fury II, experts weigh up the rematch

[Nash out]

Wasn't hyped for the 1st fight. Knew the MW would be too good.
Even less thrilled with a rematch
It will only be easier for the MW.

If Usyk wins again, he will have to face the real Fury, a true fighting man, and the toughest SOB since Stone Cold Steve Austin. Mr. Big John Fury. Prediction, John Fury by KO inside 25 seconds (including the count) Nash out - His Excellency

[Ashman5000]

It doesn't matter what plan Fury comes up with. Usyk will have an answer. Fury cannot do anything to win this fight.

[Ashman5000]

I got Fury winning the rematch. I thought he gave away the first meeting by clowning and not showing enough respect. Tyson’s corner was also a fiasco that didn’t help matters. Much respect to Usyk, but I think it’s the Gypsy’s fight to win or lose.

All of these excuses are getting ridiculous. Fury lost because Usyk was always going to win the second half. The knockdown was inevitable. You could see Fury slow down even before the punch in the 8th. Usyk was landing overhand lefts all night long. It was only a matter of time.

[Ashman5000]

Fury can win if he uses his size and backs Usyk up, roughs him up, and doesn't try to box. He discovered that that was the way to beat Wilder. He can do the same with Usyk. Obviously, Usyk is much slicker than Wilder. But Fury is capable of doing it.

If Usyk decides to let Fury be the aggressor it will be a short night for Fury. Fury will get so tired chasing a ghost and by round 6 Fury will be set up for a ko

[Ashman5000]

Always get a kick out of these goofballs who act as if Usyk isn't any kind of factor in the fight. Whether it be the Fury or Joshua inclined folks, it's always some kind of "well if Fury/Joshua would've done this, or pressed harder in the middle rounds, or this, or that he would've won." Did it ever occur that the reason they didn't is because Usyk is clearly The Master Of The Squared Circle who is multiple levels above both? The main/most difficult aspect he has to contend with is Fury's/Joshua's size advantage.

Here is a fun little thing I think about from time to time whenever I read one of these types of articles. It's so fun, you'll probably see me repeat it in another post in the future : )

So - "well if so and so would've done this, or would've done that", let's:

- imagine a 6' 9" Usyk versus a 6' 3" Fury - what would the outcome be?

- magine a 6' 6" Usyk versus a 6' 3" Joshua - what would the outcome be?

And to take it further, Usyk looks smaller than 6' 3" to me. If you agree, adjust accordingly.

You are right on the money. They should be thinking about all the different ways Usyk would have won the fights. Usyk is controlling these fights like a puppet master.

[Ashman5000]

Usyk wins a close(r) fight but gets jobbed on the cards. Joshua gets to fight Fury for a belt. We all lose.

I hope not but I will say the one thing that I like hearing that Fury is saying is that he will definitely do the trilogy if he wins the 2nd fight.

[Ashman5000]

Wasn't hyped for the 1st fight. Knew the MW would be too good.
Even less thrilled with a rematch
It will only be easier for the MW.

How could you not be excited for the 1st fight? It was the most important fight in the heavyweight division. I do agree that usyk will win again and I would rather see him fight someone else that he hasn't already beaten.

[PRINCEKOOL]

What positives is Tyson Fury taking into this rematch? Uysk took his best power punches, almost immediately recovered and continued to pressure him.

Oleksandr Uysk while being outweighed by over 40 pounds, was able to back up Tyson Fury 'All night long'.

I think Tyson Fury's hardcore fans i.e Hardcore Fury fans, need to understand that although 'I personally rate Tyson Fury as a complete fighter. Meaning Fury can and does have the ability to fight in all areas of boxing. Fury is nowhere near good as the media and his hardcore fans have claim, in those areas of boxing'.

The notion that Tyson Fury is some sort of monster super Heavyweight fighter, who has the ability to just wade forward and destroy his opponents 'This narrative only really gained traction after he fought Deontay Wilder'.

Wilder was a fighter again who Tyson Fury outweighed by more than 40 pounds on average, at the very least 'Wilder may be a heavyweight who has serious power, but his brute strength was one of his worst attributes as a fighter. Deontay Wilder's brute strength, and all round stability was his most deficient attribute as a fighter'.

Wilder has a super heavyweight punch, but in all honesty? There may be Light Heavyweight and Cruiserweight fighters, who have higher levels of brute strength than him.

During the Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury trilogy, it was very clear that one of the most influential and determining factors which aided in Fury's victory? Was that Tyson Fury was just too strong for Deontay Wilder in terms of brute strength. Fury by using this brute strength, combined with his inside game was able to negate Wilder's power and win 2 fights out of 3 battles'.

At top level, during a World level fight 'Deontay Wilder really is the only fighter that Tyson Fury, has waded forward against and fought on the complete offensive. That is it'.

Tyson Fury fought on the backfoot vs Wladimir Kiltschko, Derek Chisora Twice, Dillian Whyte 'The only other borderline, World level fight were Tyson Fury decided to fight on the front foot was vs Steve USS Cunningham. But nobody here can claim that Steve USS Cunningham was a proven World level Heavyweight fighter'.

I still see many people giving Tyson Fury the advice, to just wade forward and use his Super Heavyweight mass vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'People need to understand that there was and is a reason why Fury did not just walk forward vs Uysk I'.

Tyson Fury has historically been renowned and credited for his ability 'To adapt his tactics, acutely during a fight. This has been one of his best attributes, that has aided his survival in fights and winning'.

Tyson Fury was able to acutely adapt vs Francis Ngannou after he was decked 'The very moment Fury was decked, he turned the fight into a skill for skill boxing match. Now? Fury did not win that fight, but once again his ability to acutely adapt aided in his survival. Fury was able to then fight his way back into the fight, and get a decision given to him'.

Fury was for whatever reason, unable to acutely adapt vs Uysk I 'There was no sudden switch up in tactics, after he was whacked about the ring during round 9. Fury just continued to use the same tactics, he had been applying during the entire fight'.

I think that people underrate Tyson Fury's ability to read a fight, and estimate how he needs to win a fight 'The way the Fury's perceive violence, is similar to how a Soccer, Basketball, or NFL analyst's and pundits view their sports'.

Tyson Fury has a very high comprehension of violence 'What I mean by this is? In life you get certain people who have a appetite for violence. But those same people may not have a high comprehension of violence'.

Everyone here right now 'Knows what type of people I am talking about. Loud, potentially obnoxious, very reactive in any sort of confrontation. But a lack of tactical awareness, when they decide to react and act'.

The typical aggressive brute, with a not a very high comprehension of violence 'I am sure YOU have come across those individuals in your life'.

Tyson Fury comparison not only has a appetite for violence 'But he also has a very high comprehension of violence. This is why he is very good at reading a fight, and evaluating other fighters'.

This is why Tyson Fury throughout his career, his match making has been excellent 'By far better than Anthony Joshua's. If the aim was to keep Tyson Fury undefeated, but still have in taking on big challenges when it is absolutely necessary. Then Tyson Fury's professional career guidance has been, some of the best match making we have seen in the Heavyweight Division since the late 1980's with Mike Tyson'.

Once upon a time? Tyson Fury was perspective enough 'To understand that he needed to avoid David Price, when they were scheduled to fight for the British and Commonwealth Heavyweight titles. It is a well known fact, that Fury avoided David Price tactically at that stage of his career'.

That match up was a big domestic fight 'And would of been Fury's biggest business fights of is career. Tyson Fury avoided David Price, because he knew stylistically that it was not absolutely necessary that he needed to take on such a dangerous challenge'.

Now, in regards to the fight vs Oleksandr Uysk I 'When Fury claims that he does not need, to alter much of his tactics. I believe due to his high comprehension of violence, he understands that he needs to fight that classical big my styled fight in order to win vs Oleksandr Uysk II'.

Note: No true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighter, would in my opinion 'Just wade forward vs Oleksandr Uysk. Because that style of fight, is just going to make the action more easier and straight forward Uysk. Oleksandr Uysk would no longer be expending the same level of energy tracking down Tyson Fury, and with his greater punch speed and more technical proficient punches? There is a high likely-hood that Uysk would be landing a higher frequency of damaging punches. Especially against a fighter like Tyson Fury, who innately is a extremely clumsy fighter at times'.

Tyson Fury is aware that he needs to fight a similar tactical fight as the first match up 'But in a more composed manner, and with more belief that he is the Super Heavyweight Fighter in this match up. Fury panicked too much vs Uysk in the first fight, and was backing up even before Uysk had launched any serious attacks. That style of fighting is just turning the fight into a endurance event, which favoured Oleksandr Uysk'.

Fury needs to stand his ground, and attempt to dominate the centre of the ring 'If Fury is to achieve this? He has to win the battle of the jabs. Which in the first fight, surprisingly both Fury's and Uysk's jabs were quite evenly matched'.

Sugar Hill Steward basically stated very similar points during the first fight 'In the corner during the first fight. He told Tyson Fury, to stop backing up, stand his ground and when Uysk attacks? Throw his punches'. Sugar Hill Steward was clearing wanting Fury to set himself more, when he threw his punches instead of backing up all night. That is a aspect of the classical big man styled fight

To conclude: So, I do think that Tyson Fury and his team 'Tactically know what they need to do, in order to give themselves the best chance of winning. Fury may be heavier in this fight, and fighting in a more composed manner i.e Fury put a lot effort into trying to get away from Uysk during the first fight, instead of attempting to out box him and inflict damage'.

A true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighter, in my opinion does not fight or behave that way vs Uysk 'Oleksandr Uysk is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing, and pound for pound 'His wins over both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, are the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'.

But for all of his achievements, Uysk is not a power puncher and in terms of brute strength 'There have been similar classical physique heavyweight fighters who were stronger than him. Such as Evander Holyfield and David Haye'.

True all time great Super Heavyweights fighters such as Wladimir Kiltschko, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Kiltschko, Rid**** Bowe 'In my opinion, they would not be getting backed up all night vs Oleksandr Uysk. But neither would they just be wading forward'.

I think both Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk 'Are aware of what they need to do, in order to give themselves the best opportunity to win. Endurance, accuracy are most likely going to be the two most determining factors which win the fight for both fighters' Oleksandr Uysk is the favourite coming into this rematch, but we know that historically Fury has been able to produce improved efforts in rematch fights' etc.

[jlf85]

One interesting aspect to me is the fact that usyk is going to be nearly 38 on fight night and he has had a lot of fights with amateurs etc. makes me think of GGG. We definitely saw some slippage with G at this age, but the big guys do seem to age slower...and Tyson is not exactly a kid himself anymore. As much as I like Tyson and appreciate all he has done around mental health, I think usyk will have increased confidence thus time and handle him quite well.

[turnedup]

Fury’s offense and defense are pretty damn basic. Size snd mobility have are his best attributes. People discount how much of his size has actually been the reason for his success. His legs are gone imho. So he tries sitting down on punches more but his herky jerky offense isn’t anything special at all.