Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder is set to continue fighting

[davefromvancouv]

No, there is no rebuilding process for Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder 'Wilder has to jump straight back into the game, at a solid level. Against fighters that are regarded as capable fighters'.

Deontay Wilder is a former Olympian, and Olympic Bronze Medalist 'Wilder has been a professional boxer for 16 years. He is the former WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World, with a Heavyweight reign consisting of 10 successful title defenses, 11 successful Championship fights from a total of 13 Championship fights'.

Fighters know the truth, Deontay Wilder has to return into the sport at a high level 'Because if he does not, the likely-hood is that he would actually be under preparing himself for the mega fights that are potentially still in range of his power'.

What level of fights are you actually insisting Deontay Wilder must take? Because if you expect Wilder to fight 5 fights in one year 'Judging by his resume, that potential calibre of fighter I would imagine to be a domestic level American Heavyweight'.

People were complaining and mocking Anthony Joshua when he was fighting Franklin, Helenius, Wallin and Ngannou 'When in reality, there is not much evidence from Wilder's most recent form that he could beat a fighter like Jermaine Franklin, and I am being very serious'.

Note: I would accept fights such as Derek Chisora vs Deontay Wilder, Joe Joyce vs Deontay Wilder or Dillian Whyte vs Deontay Wilder 'I believe those fights suggested there, are at a high enough level. That Deontay Wilder would gain momentum from beating those fighters'.

Chisora, Joyce, Whyte, are not elite level fighters 'But they are still capable and dangerous. I personally would regard wins vs Joyce and Whyte in particularly as solid wins for any Heavyweight fighter'.

I have stated in other threads, that Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua 'Should be Joshua's number 2 target for his comeback fight, outside of a rematch vs Daniel Dubois II. I don't think people should be too concerned about each fighter coming back from server loses, this actually builds the narrative and theme of the match up'.

To conclude: Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua, is still a colossal match up 'Beyond titles'. No matter what people, at this stage of their careers 'Boxing History has already been recorded and happened. Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder have been two of the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era 'The three Heavyweight Mountains were Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. Ultimately this Heavyweight era, has been their era and they have been the three most dominant and influential celestial bodies in the game'.

I guess the competitive landscape in the Heavyweight Divisions, especially for fighters in the position of Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder will become more clearer 'It does seem like Anthony Joshua and his team are more game for jumping back into the game at a high level. And the main point I am trying to make in regards to Deontay Wilder, is that I believe he needs to approach this stage of his career with a similar level of intent. Because this is the only way he can truly optimally prepare himself or future challenges, and find out whether he has still the ambition, determination, and aggression to combined with his power etc.

It's not the loss. It's the WAY he lost.

Wilder's recent form suggests he has slipped considerably from what he once was: a smart, aggressive, intimidating fighter who's power came from quick, over-committed shots to the target. There was no hesitation, so a knockout would happen in the blink of an eye.

I believe he needs to fight low tier opposition in quick succession until he gets used to pulling the trigger like he used to. How he performs will tell you where he's at. If he's successful, he will then be ready to fine-tune his game to incorporate what he already knows, against the likes of Chisora, Joyce or Whyte. I'd also like to see him reverse the Parker and Zhang losses which is why I suggested 5 fights in one year.

An active 2025 would set up a more exciting stage for his final run and a possible title challenge in 2026.

Let's see what he decides to do...

[RigosPressureCooker]

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Not to mention, one of the kids is disabled.

[PRINCEKOOL]

It's not the loss. It's the WAY he lost.

Wilder's recent form suggests he has slipped considerably from what he once was: a smart, aggressive, intimidating fighter who's power came from quick, over-committed shots to the target. There was no hesitation, so a knockout would happen in the blink of an eye.

I believe he needs to fight low tier opposition in quick succession until he gets used to pulling the trigger like he used to. How he performs will tell you where he's at. If he's successful, he will then be ready to fine-tune his game to incorporate what he already knows, against the likes of Chisora, Joyce or Whyte. I'd also like to see him reverse the Parker and Zhang losses which is why I suggested 5 fights in one year.

An active 2025 would set up a more exciting stage for his final run and a possible title challenge in 2026.

Let's see what he decides to do...

I am sure Deontay Wilder, will not hesitate to throw power punches vs Domestic level American Heavyweights 'Because he knows he is better than those fighters'.

I understand the reasoning behind your methodology, but? I think it is flawed, especially for a fighter like Deontay Wilder. 'People that know boxing, understand that fighters for the most part improve mostly in the gymnasium. The 1000's of hours of training, sparring, technical work, self reflection and analysis. Ultimately this is how fighters improve, and maintain their game. Fight Night, is in my opinion just a bi-product of what a fighter has been working on inside the gym'.

Deontay Wilder's form is going to be rediscovered the gym, not randomly while fighting a domestic level American heavyweight.

We can both compare Deontay Wilder to Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Compare the company and training circles in which those three fighters role in. Deontay Wilder from my knowledge does not train alongside anybody who can really compete with him. Once upon a time? I believe Deontay Wilder may of done so. But the last few years of his professional boxing career, you tell me? What circles did Deontay Wilder role in?'.

There have been numerous stories about Anthony Joshua sparring Tyson Fury, David Price, Daniel Dubois and the list goes on 'And not so long ago, he was training alongside Errol Spence Junior'.

The point I am trying to make is? If Deontay Wilder is going to alter something, it has to be his approach to preparation in my opinion.

The likely-hood is that Deontay Wilder is not going to fight 5 times in one year 'While fighting at a solid level. That is why I think your methodology is flawed'.

But where he can make effective altercations, IS RIGHT NOW in gymnasium. No disrespect to Malik Scott, but I wonder if Scott is the best boxing coach for Wilder at this stage of hs career? Malik Scott does seem extremely analytical, intricate and specific. And from my observation maybe his training methods have influenced Deontay Wilder's style, and lead him into attempting to strategize his way through a fight'.

Note: Deontay Wilder is a instinctive, reactive and raw fighter 'Malik Scott was not that type of fighter. And from the multiple interviews that I have watch of him, Scott does not seem like the type of coach who would build up that type of fighter, if he had a choice. Malik Scott is clearly a very positive addition to Wilder's team, but I am not so sure he is best lead coach that Deontay Wilder could work with at this stage of his career'.

Anthony Joshua in comparison, seems to gravitate towards boxing coaches who are extremely analytical, intricate and specific 'Because those are traits, that make up Anthony Joshua's character as a fighter'.

Deontay Wilder is not just a fighter 'Deontay Wilder is a energy, it is power'. Wilder in my opinion, needs a team and coaches around him 'That live and breathe, what Deontay Wilder is. I don't think he needs a team around him, who are going to attempt to imprint their character traits upon him'.

Jay Dee's in my opinion, has been Deontay Wilder's best coach 'Regardless if technically, he is the best boxing coach. Jay Dee's lived, and immersed himself in what Deontay Wilder was as a fighter. Aggression, power, violence'.

To conclude: So in my opinion, if tactics are going to altered somewhere in Deontay Wilder's approach to the game 'It starts in the gymnasium. I think Malik Scott is a positive addition to Wilder's training team, but maybe he needs to self reflect on his own performance. And understand that Deontay Wilder is not a technical project, he is form of power that needs to be nurtured and harnessed'.

Anthony Joshua in comparison, can be described as a more technically engineering project 'Due to all of his attributes as a fighter. There are just so many attributes and skills, that Joshua has which a boxing coach can work with during training'.

I think it is good news, that Deontay Wilder has decided to continue fighting 'People for the most part live in the moment. All it takes is one solid win, and both Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua will be right back at top level' etc.

[davefromvancouv]

I am sure Deontay Wilder, will not hesitate to throw power punches vs Domestic level American Heavyweights 'Because he knows he is better than those fighters'.

I understand the reasoning behind your methodology, but? I think it is flawed, especially for a fighter like Deontay Wilder. 'People that know boxing, understand that fighters for the most part improve mostly in the gymnasium. The 1000's of hours of training, sparring, technical work, self reflection and analysis. Ultimately this is how fighters improve, and maintain their game. Fight Night, is in my opinion just a bi-product of what a fighter has been working on inside the gym'.

Deontay Wilder's form is going to be rediscovered the gym, not randomly while fighting a domestic level American heavyweight.

We can both compare Deontay Wilder to Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Compare the company and training circles in which those three fighters role in. Deontay Wilder from my knowledge does not train alongside anybody who can really compete with him. Once upon a time? I believe Deontay Wilder may of done so. But the last few years of his professional boxing career, you tell me? What circles did Deontay Wilder role in?'.

There have been numerous stories about Anthony Joshua sparring Tyson Fury, David Price, Daniel Dubois and the list goes on 'And not so long ago, he was training alongside Errol Spence Junior'.

The point I am trying to make is? If Deontay Wilder is going to alter something, it has to be his approach to preparation in my opinion.

The likely-hood is that Deontay Wilder is not going to fight 5 times in one year 'While fighting at a solid level. That is why I think your methodology is flawed'.

But where he can make effective altercations, IS RIGHT NOW in gymnasium. No disrespect to Malik Scott, but I wonder if Scott is the best boxing coach for Wilder at this stage of hs career? Malik Scott does seem extremely analytical, intricate and specific. And from my observation maybe his training methods have influenced Deontay Wilder's style, and lead him into attempting to strategize his way through a fight'.

Note: Deontay Wilder is a instinctive, reactive and raw fighter 'Malik Scott was not that type of fighter. And from the multiple interviews that I have watch of him, Scott does not seem like the type of coach who would build up that type of fighter, if he had a choice. Malik Scott is clearly a very positive addition to Wilder's team, but I am not so sure he is best lead coach that Deontay Wilder could work with at this stage of his career'.

Anthony Joshua in comparison, seems to gravitate towards boxing coaches who are extremely analytical, intricate and specific 'Because those are traits, that make up Anthony Joshua's character as a fighter'.

Deontay Wilder is not just a fighter 'Deontay Wilder is a energy, it is power'. Wilder in my opinion, needs a team and coaches around him 'That live and breathe, what Deontay Wilder is. I don't think he needs a team around him, who are going to attempt to imprint their character traits upon him'.

Jay Dee's in my opinion, has been Deontay Wilder's best coach 'Regardless if technically, he is the best boxing coach. Jay Dee's lived, and immersed himself in what Deontay Wilder was as a fighter. Aggression, power, violence'.

To conclude: So in my opinion, if tactics are going to altered somewhere in Deontay Wilder's approach to the game 'It starts in the gymnasium. I think Malik Scott is a positive addition to Wilder's training team, but maybe he needs to self reflect on his own performance. And understand that Deontay Wilder is not a technical project, he is form of power that needs to be nurtured and harnessed'.

Anthony Joshua in comparison, can be described as a more technically engineering project 'Due to all of his attributes as a fighter. There are just so many attributes and skills, that Joshua has which a boxing coach can work with during training'.

I think it is good news, that Deontay Wilder has decided to continue fighting 'People for the most part live in the moment. All it takes is one solid win, and both Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua will be right back at top level' etc.

Fight night is a whole different story. You're fighting the man you trained for but you have no idea what he's going to bring to the table on the night of the fight, domestic level or not. Totally different from training and fine-tuning skills. That's why the more fights you have, the more accustomed you are to making that crucial switch to fight mode when everything is on the line.

More activity in 2025 will change that. But it can't be at too high a level until he gets back to performing at his best under the lights. His last fight with Zhang proved that he's close but not quite there yet...

We saw shades of his old self in the last round of the Zhang fight. There were more punches thrown with bad intentions, and there was less hesitation. However, the speed and commitment to punches wasn't quite there. A couple quick and easy fights should get him over the line, where he's faster, more relaxed and more committed to his punches. At that point, he'll be ready for real competition and will be able to put on a much more entertaining show for as long as it lasts...

[PRINCEKOOL]

Fight night is a whole different story. You're fighting the man you trained for but you have no idea what he's going to bring to the table on the night of the fight, domestic level or not. Totally different from training and fine-tuning skills. That's why the more fights you have, the more accustomed you are to making that crucial switch to fight mode when everything is on the line.

More activity in 2025 will change that. But it can't be at too high a level until he gets back to performing at his best under the lights. His last fight with Zhang proved that he's close but not quite there yet...

We saw shades of his old self in the last round of the Zhang fight. There were more punches thrown with bad intentions, and there was less hesitation. However, the speed and commitment to punches wasn't quite there. A couple quick and easy fights should get him over the line, where he's faster, more relaxed and more committed to his punches. At that point, he'll be ready for real competition and will be able to put on a much more entertaining show for as long as it lasts...

Yes the vast majority of improvements and maintenance happens in the gymnasium 'But not all aspects of performance, and a athletes form can be worked on within that environment'.

Of course there has to come a time, when a fighter 'Attends the big dance for real, and fights'. I believe that personally, Deontay Wilder would benefit more from altering certain aspects of his training or the structure of his coaching team'.

We have to go back to over 1 decade 'To come across any stories of Deontay Wilder, training alongside fighters such as David Haye, and Wladimir Kiltschko'.

But in comparison? Both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua even now at this advance stage of their careers 'Are still training and competing with highly regarded up and coming Heavyweight fighters. Fury and Joshua in my opinion, role in more fearsomely competitive training environment'.

Note: Anthony Joshua may have been hurt by David Price and Daniel Dubois in training 'But all this shows to me, is that Joshua is willing to push himself beyond his limits. Before fight night, even more so than Deontay Wilder'.

In reality, Anthony Joshua for the most part dominated Daniel Dubois in training, and this is why 'Anthony Joshua on some level, was dismissive of Daniel Dubois's threat level. Joshua was not underprepared from a pure physiological perspective, but I believe all the signs where there during fight week? That he was ever so slightly complacent, in his estimation of Daniel Dubois abilities'.

I definitively like Joe Joyce vs Deontay Wilder, and there was talk of this fight happening in the past 'Before Joyce himself was twice beaten by Zhang. I still regard Joe Joyce as formidable opponent for many heavyweight fighters. Joyce due to his style and strongest attribute's, is a a true litmus test for a fighter. That would be a really solid win for Deontay Wilder'.

To conclude: On a fight by fight basis, the competitive landscape of the Heavyweight divisions is altering 'Deontay Wilder being beaten twice in a row, Anthony Joshua being beaten by Daniel Dubois and then Tyson Fury losing to Oleksandr Uysk in the Undisputed title match. All of those events were tectonic level events'.

Tectonic level events, because those fighters are the three true Heavyweights mountains this era 'For the vast majority of this Heavyweights boxing era, they have been the premier Champions. All the major story lines, theme's, all the Catalytic moments and fights of this Heavyweight era 'Have been directly caused by Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. They have been involved in all of the main catalytic fights of this era'.

And I believe that Deontay Wilder just like Anthony Joshua 'They are still mountains, their feats of achievements are still a major part of this boxing era. If this Heavyweight boxing era was made into a movie, they are two of the three main characters'.

Also, many people seem not to be aware 'That Tyson Fury is only one fight away, and one loss away 'From potentially being in a very similar situation to Wilder and Joshua, or even worst. This will be determined on the severity of a potential loss to Oleksandr Uysk II for the second consecutive time'.

Deontay Wilder is a competitor 'I was one of the few people, who never mocked him for his reaction after losing to Tyson Fury in the second fight. If Deontay Wilder would of been too overly accepting of that loss, then I would of been concerned. If you check his reactions in the aftermath of the Parker and Zhang fights, Wilder for the first time in his career seemed quite accepting of the loss. That is why I was unsure on whether he would ever fight again inside a professional boxing ring'.

But it seems like Deontay Wilder to some extent has regenerated, and this can only be good news for the competitive landscape of the Heavyweight Division etc.