Tank Davis or Kenshiro Teraji P4P

[daggum]

who should be higher on the p4p list?

Kenshiro Teraji:

top 10(ring) wins: 9
top 5 wins: 7
wins over guys ranked #1(at the time or after fighting them) 3

Tank Davis:

top 10 wins: 4(1 with rehydration clause)
top 5 wins: 1
wins over guys ranked #1: 0

[El_Mero]

who should be higher on the p4p list?

Kenshiro Teraji:

top 10(ring) wins: 9
top 5 wins: 7
wins over guys ranked #1(at the time or after fighting them) 3

Tank Davis:

top 10 wins: 4(1 with rehydration clause)
top 5 wins: 1
wins over guys ranked #1: 0

Doesn't Wahid have 2 rehydration clause fights? cRyan and Barrios?

Either way Teraji deserves the higher ranking

[daggum]

Doesn't Wahid have 2 rehydration clause fights? cRyan and Barrios?

Either way Teraji deserves the higher ranking

i didnt count garcia since he wasnt ranked at 140 when tank fought him, barrios was ranked but tank made sure to drain him

[billeau2]

who should be higher on the p4p list?

Kenshiro Teraji:

top 10(ring) wins: 9
top 5 wins: 7
wins over guys ranked #1(at the time or after fighting them) 3

Tank Davis:

top 10 wins: 4(1 with rehydration clause)
top 5 wins: 1
wins over guys ranked #1: 0

There you go again! Remember denying that you use relative measures? "Top" of what? "Ranked" by whom? All relative measures... Your whole game of cards rests on opinions. Opinions rendered by men and women with a self serving interest to rank a certain way.

You can watch film of Tank and see he is talented. I agree about his status as a protected fighter, but your logic is dismal!

[billeau2]

Daggum logic: "According to Joe and Jim, Ethel is the bees knees... She is ranked as the hottest girl on the block! Which makes her hotter than Martha?" Joe and Jim, turn out to be blind... Ethel weighs 400 pounds.

[JOITATS]

Teraji has been underrated for years.
his accomplishments put him above Tank.

Since he moved up, if he collects some belts, there’s no denying his P4P status.

[daggum]

There you go again! Remember denying that you use relative measures? "Top" of what? "Ranked" by whom? All relative measures... Your whole game of cards rests on opinions. Opinions rendered by men and women with a self serving interest to rank a certain way.

You can watch film of Tank and see he is talented. I agree about his status as a protected fighter, but your logic is dismal!

it clearly says ring in my post. we can use any ranking: espn, tbrb, etc...we will get the same exact thing or very near to it. everyone wrong?

boxing is a very subjective sport so of course its opinion based. this entire forum is opinion based. if you think tanks opponents were great fighters who deserve to be ranked higher than make your case. you can cross reference with tbrb, espn, etc...and usually tanks opponents are not ranked in any of those so are they all getting it wrong? they arent going to change their rankings around just to get at tank, the reason tanks opponents arent ranked highly is because they arent highly thought of. the same reason tank chooses to fight them.

what is my logic? you agree that hes protected so im not sure what you are saying? im just showing you proof hes protected. how can you be a top level fighter if you never fight top level guys? how can you be one of the best fighters in the world if you never fight the best or anyone close to it? if you think guys like pedraza and frank martin are good enough to get you on the list thats fine, just say it. say those guys were really hte best and the ring was wrong for having them ranked so low. you cant because you will be laughed at. im looking for a reason why he is there, and a reason why teraji is not there. when you look at it from the rings own rankings, it makes no sense and shows they are clearly biased in favor of tank, not against him like you are saying.

[daggum]

Daggum logic: "According to Joe and Jim, Ethel is the bees knees... She is ranked as the hottest girl on the block! Which makes her hotter than Martha?" Joe and Jim, turn out to be blind... Ethel weighs 400 pounds.

i dont understand what you are trying to say? even as boxing fans we cant possibly watch every fight. the ring panel is made up of people who have seen every fight and every fighter to reach a consensus. no they dont get it right all the time but i would argue they are overly generous to american fighters and the more popular fighters as you can see with tank davis as an example. he has 4 top 10 wins according to their own rankings, teraji has 9 and with much better quality, yet tank is the one they have on the list. these aren't blind people making the rankings. they know teraji is much more accomplished yet they dont have him on for political reasons. that was the whole point of my thread. yes it was to criticize tank for being coddled and babied but its also to criticize the ring for not doing the right thing

[billeau2]

it clearly says ring in my post. we can use any ranking: espn, tbrb, etc...we will get the same exact thing or very near to it. everyone wrong?

boxing is a very subjective sport so of course its opinion based. this entire forum is opinion based. if you think tanks opponents were great fighters who deserve to be ranked higher than make your case. you can cross reference with tbrb, espn, etc...and usually tanks opponents are not ranked in any of those so are they all getting it wrong? they arent going to change their rankings around just to get at tank, the reason tanks opponents arent ranked highly is because they arent highly thought of. the same reason tank chooses to fight them.

what is my logic? you agree that hes protected so im not sure what you are saying? im just showing you proof hes protected. how can you be a top level fighter if you never fight top level guys? how can you be one of the best fighters in the world if you never fight the best or anyone close to it? if you think guys like pedraza and frank martin are good enough to get you on the list thats fine, just say it. say those guys were really hte best and the ring was wrong for having them ranked so low. you cant because you will be laughed at. im looking for a reason why he is there, and a reason why teraji is not there. when you look at it from the rings own rankings, it makes no sense and shows they are clearly biased in favor of tank, not against him like you are saying.

No I don't think Tanks opponents are better I actually stated as much. I do think if you just build an opinion totally on subjective measures it is not viable.

I'm not questioning You're right to an opinion I am questioning how you defend your opinion which is nothing more than unsubstantial information. You can watch tank on film you can see certain comparisons on a technical level to other fighters, there are things that are more objective than subjective rankings which are there to self promote alphabet soup.

[billeau2]

i dont understand what you are trying to say? even as boxing fans we cant possibly watch every fight. the ring panel is made up of people who have seen every fight and every fighter to reach a consensus. no they dont get it right all the time but i would argue they are overly generous to american fighters and the more popular fighters as you can see with tank davis as an example. he has 4 top 10 wins according to their own rankings, teraji has 9 and with much better quality, yet tank is the one they have on the list. these aren't blind people making the rankings. they know teraji is much more accomplished yet they dont have him on for political reasons. that was the whole point of my thread. yes it was to criticize tank for being coddled and babied but its also to criticize the ring for not doing the right thing

If I'm building a house and I build the foundation on twigs what is going to happen? The foundation of your opinions are subjective measures that boxing organizations use to legitimize their fighters and nothing more. You can use these together with other measures but not independently to confirm opinion.