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  • ELPacman
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    Whose taking over when Canelo Retires?

    This may have been talked about before, but it is getting closer and I don't think there has been a definitive fighter that is consistent and brings the audience to watch at a global level, the same way Mayweather and Pacquiao did before him. Ryan Garcia? Inconsistent and a mental basket case. Tank Davis? I don't think he's hit a global level similar to Canelo. Plus, whoever this person is, they need to at minimum fight twice a year. A lot of these new guys want 1 per year and you can't keep folks interested with that low activity rate. Inoue? Awesome fighter, but I don't see him making it big with the casuals. Crawford? The dude sidelined himself for over a year following the biggest win in his career. He's 37, about to have a gets old overnight moment and be out.

    Whose upcoming that you see a Caneloesque following in addition to their work ethic and activity?
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    Junto if he has the skill and size to be lightweight king

    Japanese but fighting out of the US and trained by a Mexican-American. So Junto is Western Hemispheric. Westerners have an edge when it comes to stardom

    plus Junto vaguely looks like the last Asian super star manny pacq

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      #3
      Originally posted by ELPacman
      This may have been talked about before, but it is getting closer and I don't think there has been a definitive fighter that is consistent and brings the audience to watch at a global level, the same way Mayweather and Pacquiao did before him. Ryan Garcia? Inconsistent and a mental basket case. Tank Davis? I don't think he's hit a global level similar to Canelo. Plus, whoever this person is, they need to at minimum fight twice a year. A lot of these new guys want 1 per year and you can't keep folks interested with that low activity rate. Inoue? Awesome fighter, but I don't see him making it big with the casuals. Crawford? The dude sidelined himself for over a year following the biggest win in his career. He's 37, about to have a gets old overnight moment and be out.

      Whose upcoming that you see a Caneloesque following in addition to their work ethic and activity?
      Well, if you’re talking his style and power. I cant say. Outside of that I see Keyshawn Davis, Shakur, Abdulla Mason. Also the ****** Russians are very disciplined and strong.

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        #4
        Originally posted by MONGOOSE66

        Well, if you’re talking his style and power. I cant say. Outside of that I see Keyshawn Davis, Shakur, Abdulla Mason. Also the ****** Russians are very disciplined and strong.
        which Russians?

        Bivol is soft-spoken

        Artur is a laconic

        Usyk is funny but soon to be 38

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          #5
          Originally posted by SouthpawRight
          Junto if he has the skill and size to be lightweight king

          Japanese but fighting out of the US and trained by a Mexican-American. So Junto is Western Hemispheric. Westerners have an edge when it comes to stardom

          plus Junto vaguely looks like the last Asian super star manny pacq
          I don't know if Junto is global superstar quality. First, he needs to fight in the US often. I probably should have mentioned that originally. Second, adding English can help make him reach more fans. I'm not sure if he does speak it already or not, but at least Pac did that immediately and Canelo has damn near perfect English at this point. Even Cotto did his best and that helped him earn a lot of fans.

          Let's not forget though, sometimes the lighter weight classes don't get picked up as easy with the fans globally unless there's a catch. Pacquiao came up during a time when there were huge stars in the lighter weights with Barrera, Morales, Hamed who made tons of noise around that time. It helped Pacquiao who again, worked his English and fought all the folks at those lighter weight classes to get his name going. Then he hit the cash cows like ODLH when he went up in weight.

          Crawford also wasn't as big until he went up to WW and finally got his career defining breakout to the masses fight, but probably too late.

          Honestly, if Ryan Garcia had Oscar Dela Hoya's work ethics and mental strength, he should have been the next after Canelo. Right age, looks and personality. Though he mostly blew it.

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            #6
            Originally posted by MONGOOSE66

            Well, if you’re talking his style and power. I cant say. Outside of that I see Keyshawn Davis, Shakur, Abdulla Mason. Also the ****** Russians are very disciplined and strong.
            I don't know man. Hard to tell with someone like Mason yet, but Davis needs more personality, Shakur is hit and miss, with a lot of miss with the fans due to how he decides to snooze the crowd many times. I'm not sure a Russian at this point in time is going to be a global mega star.

            Even still, there is a spark these guys mentioned are missing, including Shakur. You need some excitement or throwing out some crazy comments once in a while during an interview that make folks laugh and get with you. A lot of these new dudes are dry.

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              #7
              Originally posted by SouthpawRight
              which Russians?

              Bivol is soft-spoken

              Artur is a laconic

              Usyk is funny but soon to be 38


              M-uslim Russians. Im talking potentially GREAT HOF fighters not tank/Charlo corporate fighters.

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                #8
                Originally posted by ELPacman

                I don't know man. Hard to tell with someone like Mason yet, but Davis needs more personality, Shakur is hit and miss, with a lot of miss with the fans due to how he decides to snooze the crowd many times. I'm not sure a Russian at this point in time is going to be a global mega star.

                Even still, there is a spark these guys mentioned are missing, including Shakur. You need some excitement or throwing out some crazy comments once in a while during an interview that make folks laugh and get with you. A lot of these new dudes are dry.

                Canelo didnt have much of a personality most of his career. Lately he's been funny.
                Great fighters are the ones who WANT to fight other GREAT fighters. Personalities don't matter if their whipping them soundly.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ELPacman

                  I don't know if Junto is global superstar quality. First, he needs to fight in the US often. I probably should have mentioned that originally. Second, adding English can help make him reach more fans. I'm not sure if he does speak it already or not, but at least Pac did that immediately and Canelo has damn near perfect English at this point. Even Cotto did his best and that helped him earn a lot of fans.

                  Let's not forget though, sometimes the lighter weight classes don't get picked up as easy with the fans globally unless there's a catch. Pacquiao came up during a time when there were huge stars in the lighter weights with Barrera, Morales, Hamed who made tons of noise around that time. It helped Pacquiao who again, worked his English and fought all the folks at those lighter weight classes to get his name going. Then he hit the cash cows like ODLH when he went up in weight.

                  Crawford also wasn't as big until he went up to WW and finally got his career defining breakout to the masses fight, but probably too late.

                  Honestly, if Ryan Garcia had Oscar Dela Hoya's work ethics and mental strength, he should have been the next after Canelo. Right age, looks and personality. Though he mostly blew it.
                  Cotto is an American too

                  Ryan is the Mexican-American Broner. More concerned with being a celebrity than a boxer. Letting the fame go to one’s head
                  Originally posted by MONGOOSE66



                  M-uslim Russians. Im talking potentially GREAT HOF fighters not tank/Charlo corporate fighters.
                  I think Chechen Artur’s success will push more of those Mountain Russians into boxing

                  Mountain Russians are tough and master wrestlers. MMA has been soaking up all of the Mountain Russian talent

                  Originally posted by MONGOOSE66


                  Canelo didnt have much of a personality most of his career. Lately he's been funny.
                  Great fighters are the ones who WANT to fight other GREAT fighters. Personalities don't matter if they’re whipping them soundly.
                  People find Alvarez funny because he’s a famous great fighter

                  the biggest stars are talkers who beat other greats

                  one can become the PPV king without being the most exciting style

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by MONGOOSE66


                    Canelo didnt have much of a personality most of his career. Lately he's been funny.
                    Great fighters are the ones who WANT to fight other GREAT fighters. Personalities don't matter if their whipping them soundly.
                    Yeah I agree that they need to fight other great fighters. Hopefully these promoters can make the fights happen sooner than later because at this point, boxing can't wait top see those matchups happen. They need to be constant. However, once someone is consistently facing the best and people start to pay attention, it's then part of the personality of the fighter to keep them glued and they become a global megastar.

                    As you said, Canelo didn't have much personality most of his career and I don't think he was yet a global megastar. He was a huge hit with Mexicans and boxing fans of the sport. Though once he started speaking English in most of his interviews post fights and just continued to win and sometimes in exciting fashion, he's become a household name in probably any parts of the world.

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