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    After Anthony Joshua had fought and been beaten by Oleksandr Uysk twice, only one former fighter 'Gave the most straight forward and tactically sound methods to fight Oleksandr Uysk, for a Super Heavyweight 'And that man is Audley Harrison'.

    The one time Harrison was interviewed, he stated that 'Anthony Joshua needs to fight, a big man styled fight. The classical big man styled fight, that former all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters such as Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Kiltschko and Vitali Kiltschko all applied vs classical styled physique Heavyweight fighters like Oleksandr Uysk'.

    I just think that, both Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury 'Although they are good Super Heavyweight Fighters, and 2 of the 3 greatest Heavyweight fighters from their era. The battles they are having with Oleksandr Uysk are showing, that they are levels below truly all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters'.

    Tyson Fury stated it himself 'Historically whenever this stylistic match up has occurred before in history, the super heavyweight fighters most of the time have been the dominant fighter'. And I have always maintained that stylistically Oleksandr Uysk would of been a straight forward fight, for past all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters such as Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Kiltschko'.

    When you analyse Tyson Fury and his team 'You will see that they are making this fight vs Oleksandr Uysk II a extremely complex challenge. And the reason why they are doing this? Is because Fury has never shown the ability in his career, to fight the traditional classic big man styled fight at a very high level, and neither has Anthony Joshua'.

    And this is why the notion that Tyson Fury hypothetically head to head, would be able to just wade through past Heavyweight fighters from the 90's, 80's and 70's 'That notion as of right now is nonsensical, there is not enough evidence in Fury's career that shows he has that level of ability. Because if he is being smashed up, and backed up all night by Oleksandr Uysk who is a great boxer, but he is not a power puncher or renowned for his brute strength. Tyson Fury in my opinion on the form he has shown thus-far in his career, would not be dominant Super Heavyweight in the 90's, 80's or 70's boxing era's'.

    Although I rate Oleksandr Uysk extremely highly, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the sport of boxing 'Uysk's wins over both Fury and Joshua are pound for pound, the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'.

    Note: A great Super Heavyweight fighter, should be able just to stick their jab out against Oleksandr Uysk 'Win the battle of the jabs, and dominate from mid to long range. That will not be easy, because Uysk is a great boxer. But up against a peak Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Kiltschko? I would back Lewis and Kiltschko to eventually win that battle. From this point, Lewis's and Kiltschko's opponents were forced to then try and ether ambush them or apply pressure. Their opponent's would be tied up on the inside, and wrestled to then be pushed off and bombarded from mid to long range'.​

    What I have just described there was the classical big man style fight 'That Lennox Lewis and The Kiltschko's tactically used in all their most dominant performances'.

    Lennox Lewis when he fought David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Tommy Morrison and many more 'Fighters who I would regard as classical styled physique Heavyweight fighter's. Go and watch those fights, Lewis did not wade forward vs those fighters. But he also never backed up all night, Lewis stood his ground and fought out of a boxing zone defense'.

    And we witnessed Wladimir Kitschko also apply this same big man styled fight, whenever stylistically they were in that sort of match up. Lamon Brewster vs Wladimir Kiltschko II, David Haye vs Wladimir Kiltschko. Those are two solid fights, were Wladimir Kiltschko made fighting two extremely dangerous fighters and skillful fighters in regards to David Haye. Kiltschko tactically made those fights, very straight forward. Because that is what a truly all-time great Super Heavyweight should have the capability to do.

    David Haye was effectively the Oleksandr Uysk of his era 'But with game altering power, in the form of Hayemaker's. David Haye the Lineal Ring ****zine, WBC, WBA, WBO, Cruiserweight Champion. And Haye technically should of been the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion, Jean Marc Mormeck had beaten O'Neil bell who was the IBF World Champion and avenged a loss, but Bell was stripped of the IBF title'.

    David Haye was my fighter 'But I will be honest. Wladimir Kiltschko made that fight, more straight forward than Fury and Joshua did against Oleksandr Uysk. Because that is what all-time great Super Heavyweights should do vs classical physique styled Heavyweights'.​

    A zone defense is where a basketball player stands in a key and has their specific area to defend, once the opposing players attempt to break through that zone defense 'The basketball players defend their area zones and stand their ground'.

    It is very similar in boxing, and especially in the Heavyweight division's in regards to certain fighters. Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Kiltschko at their peak, when they are executing their most efficient fight. They were most of the time fighting out of a zone type defense, and once their opponent's attempted to close that range? They just stuck out their jab, won the battle of the jabs and then proceeded to systematically beat down their opponents from mid to long range'.

    Those type of defensive tactics is an alternative to man to man marking 'A classical style Heavyweight fighter like Oleksandr Uysk, is going to be fighting more from a man to man defensive and attacking system at Heavyweight against Super Heavyweight fighters. Whereas great Super Heavyweight fighters utilize more a zone defense and offense system'.

    To conclude: So therefore, it is a correct observation that Tyson Fury needs a different approach to fighting Oleksandr Uysk II. But that different approach is not difficult to identify 'Tyson Fury needs to behave and fight, like a true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighter in this rematch. Fury does not need to be backing up all night, or just wading forward and stylistically making the fight much more easier for Uysk. Tyson Fury needs to stand his ground in his zone, win the battle of the jabs. And then disrupt the offensive and ambush attacks of Oleksandr Uysk, with aspect's of his inside game such as wrestling a tying a fighter up. Once Fury establishes some sort of dominance in this area, that is when he should begin to dominate from mid to long range. This will not be easy, because pound for pound Oleksandr Uysk is actually a superior athlete and fighter to Tyson Fury, but? The very fact that Tyson Fury is a super heavyweight fighter, and we know that he can switch up his game dramatically on a fight by fight basis. Those factors are what is keeping Fury in this fight, and the reason why? I still give him a serious chance of winning this rematch' etc.
    Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 10-27-2024, 11:27 AM.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
      After Anthony Joshua had fought and been beaten by Oleksandr Uysk twice, only one former fighter 'Gave the most straight forward and tactically sound methods to fight Oleksandr Uysk, for a Super Heavyweight 'And that man is Audley Harrison'.

      The one time Harrison was interviewed, he stated that 'Anthony Joshua needs to fight, a big man styled fight. The classical big man styled fight, that former all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters such as Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Kiltschko and Vitali Kiltschko all applied vs classical styled physique Heavyweight fighters like Oleksandr Uysk'.

      I just think that, both Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury 'Although they are good Super Heavyweight Fighters, and 2 of the 3 greatest Heavyweight fighters from their era. The battles they are having with Oleksandr Uysk are showing, that they are levels below truly all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters'.

      Tyson Fury stated it himself 'Historically whenever this stylistic match up has occurred before in history, the super heavyweight fighters most of the time have been the dominant fighter'. And I have always maintained that stylistically Oleksandr Uysk would of been a straight forward fight, for past all-time great Super Heavyweight fighters such as Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Kiltschko'.

      When you analyse Tyson Fury and his team 'You will see that they are making this fight vs Oleksandr Uysk II a extremely complex challenge. And the reason why they are doing this? Is because Fury has never shown the ability in his career, to fight the traditional classic big man styled fight at a very high level, and neither has Anthony Joshua'.

      And this is why the notion that Tyson Fury hypothetically head to head, would be able to just wade through past Heavyweight fighters from the 90's, 80's and 70's 'That notion as of right now is nonsensical, there is not enough evidence in Fury's career that shows he has that level of ability. Because if he is being smashed up, and backed up all night by Oleksandr Uysk who is a great boxer, but he is not a power puncher or renowned for his brute strength. Tyson Fury in my opinion on the form he has shown thus-far in his career, would not be dominant Super Heavyweight in the 90's, 80's or 70's boxing era's'.

      Although I rate Oleksandr Uysk extremely highly, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the sport of boxing 'Uysk's wins over both Fury and Joshua are pound for pound, the greatest feats of achievement in the sport of boxing in the last 15 years'.

      Note: A great Super Heavyweight fighter, should be able just to stick their jab out against Oleksandr Uysk 'Win the battle of the jabs, and dominate from mid to long range. That will not be easy, because Uysk is a great boxer. But up against a peak Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Kiltschko? I would back Lewis and Kiltschko to eventually win that battle. From this point, Lewis's and Kiltschko's opponents were forced to then try and ether ambush them or apply pressure. Their opponent's would be tied up on the inside, and wrestled to then be pushed off and bombarded from mid to long range'.​

      What I have just described there was the classical big man style fight 'That Lennox Lewis and The Kiltschko's tactically used in all their most dominant performances'.

      Lennox Lewis when he fought David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Tommy Morrison and many more 'Fighters who I would regard as classical styled physique Heavyweight fighter's. Go and watch those fights, Lewis did not wade forward vs those fighters. But he also never backed up all night, Lewis stood his ground and fought out of a boxing zone defense'.

      And we witnessed Wladimir Kitschko also apply this same big man styled fight, whenever stylistically they were in that sort of match up. Lamon Brewster vs Wladimir Kiltschko II, David Haye vs Wladimir Kiltschko. Those are two solid fights, were Wladimir Kiltschko made fighting two extremely dangerous fighters and skillful fighters in regards to David Haye. Kiltschko tactically made those fights, very straight forward. Because that is what a truly all-time great Super Heavyweight should have the capability to do.

      David Haye was effectively the Oleksandr Uysk of his era 'But with game altering power, in the form of Hayemaker's. David Haye the Lineal Ring ****zine, WBC, WBA, WBO, Cruiserweight Champion. And Haye technically should of been the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion, Jean Marc Mormeck had beaten O'Neil bell who was the IBF World Champion and avenged a loss, but Bell was stripped of the IBF title'.

      David Haye was my fighter 'But I will be honest. Wladimir Kiltschko made that fight, more straight forward than Fury and Joshua did against Oleksandr Uysk. Because that is what all-time great Super Heavyweights should do vs classical physique styled Heavyweights'.​

      A zone defense is where a basketball player stands in a key and has their specific area to defend, once the opposing players attempt to break through that zone defense 'The basketball players defend their area zones and stand their ground'.

      It is very similar in boxing, and especially in the Heavyweight division's in regards to certain fighters. Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Kiltschko at their peak, when they are executing their most efficient fight. They were most of the time fighting out of a zone type defense, and once their opponent's attempted to close that range? They just stuck out their jab, won the battle of the jabs and then proceeded to systematically beat down their opponents from mid to long range'.

      Those type of defensive tactics is an alternative to man to man marking 'A classical style Heavyweight fighter like Oleksandr Uysk, is going to be fighting more from a man to man defensive and attacking system at Heavyweight against Super Heavyweight fighters. Whereas great Super Heavyweight fighters utilize more a zone defense and offense system'.

      To conclude: So therefore, it is a correct observation that Tyson Fury needs a different approach to fighting Oleksandr Uysk II. But that different approach is not difficult to identify 'Tyson Fury needs to behave and fight, like a true all-time great Super Heavyweight fighter in this rematch. Fury does not need to be backing up all night, or just wading forward and stylistically making the fight much more easier for Uysk. Tyson Fury needs to stand his ground in his zone, win the battle of the jabs. And then disrupt the offensive and ambush attacks of Oleksandr Uysk, with aspect's of his inside game such as wrestling a tying a fighter up. Once Fury establishes some sort of dominance in this area, that is when he should begin to dominate from mid to long range. This will not be easy, because pound for pound Oleksandr Uysk is actually a superior athlete and fighter to Tyson Fury, but? The very fact that Tyson Fury is a super heavyweight fighter, and we know that he can switch up his game dramatically on a fight by fight basis. Those factors are what is keeping Fury in this fight, and the reason why? I still give him a serious chance of winning this rematch' etc.
      An article in a comment's section?? Grow up, you need to get outside more.

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      • #13
        Another pointless article from someone who hasn't listened to a word Fury has said.
        Fury was by wide opinion 5-2 up after 7 & cruising, he got carried away, his nose bust & he gassed quickly after that.

        Concentration & focus, that's what Fury's said & what he's going to do. Usyk was bust up after fight 1 & he's 37. Fury definitely looked focused to me compared to the clown show we usually get.

        Sorry for your loss big fella.
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        • #14
          I don't think fury can outbox usyk. So what is the alternative to trying to outpoint usyk

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Boro View Post

            Of course Usyk isn't Wilder but Fury most successful moments were when he was coming forward throwing uppercuts and to the body, he just didn't wasn't doing enough of it and when his nose went in the 8th he seemed to lose him composure completely.

            Also unreal calling Wilder the Brown bomber what absolute disrespect of a great fighter like Joe Louis, Wilder is called the BRONZE bomber for a reason he's third tier...
            You just compared Wilder with Joe Louis and you talk about disrespect? lol Wilder has freak of nature power but he can't box for shiat.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post

              They seem to think Fury just bored of throwing the uppercut.
              Yep...if he could have he would have but Usyk by then was having none of it.

              Fury would probably have ended up uppercutting himself, AGAIN or like AJ when Doobie laid him out.
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              • #17
                Fury really should, on paper, be able to win the battle of jabs and use that 7" reach advantage with the long guard to head control and keep the battle on the outside where Usyk can't reach him, and he did for chunks of the early portion of the first fight. But that takes serious stamina, especially to keep up with the feinting and pre-slips and level changes, because even 7 inches is just a slip and step. That split entry was doing good work for Usyk, and Usyk was doing some body work of his own. I do think Usyk is susceptible to uppercuts though. I'll be curious to see if getting to spar will make a huge difference, or if he'll just get stopped this time around. I think Wilder may have taken his chin.

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                • #18
                  Usyk’s stamina is phenomenal. Even if Fury tries to wallow all over him, Usyk will just step aside and let Fury chase him around until he’s worn out (maybe about round 9 again?), whereupon there’s a good chance Usyk will knock him all the way out this time. Then again, Fury is a giant guy, and if he manages to tag Usyk cleanly, it could all be over in the first 30 seconds. Who knows? I’ll be anticipating the rematch.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by steeve steel View Post
                    You just compared Wilder with Joe Louis and you talk about disrespect?
                    Have you missed your short bus?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by steeve steel View Post

                      You just compared Wilder with Joe Louis and you talk about disrespect? lol Wilder has freak of nature power but he can't box for shiat.
                      Where did I compare anyone you clown? YOU called him "brown bomber" Joe Louis's alias not me, engage your brain son.

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